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Ruth Bader Ginsburg was right
Posted on 5/7/22 at 7:32 am
Posted on 5/7/22 at 7:32 am
She lamented Roe because it brought a halt to the natural expansion of abortion rights/access that was taking place in the USA at the time and turned it into a hot button political issue that would dominate the Court for decades. Rather than let the political process play out, the Court interposed itself and poured gasoline on the issue via a very poorly crafted and terribly reasoned decision.
Now, a reasonable and constitutionally valid reversal of Roe (and Casey) stands to completely unravel this nation (because if the Dems do pack the Court and/or force a nationwide abortion rights law - you very well could see Civil War 2 - Electric Boogaloo).
Imagine if the Court had NOT issued Roe. We are almost 50 years later. It is likely that most states would have legalized abortion to some extent without the national rancor.
Now, a reasonable and constitutionally valid reversal of Roe (and Casey) stands to completely unravel this nation (because if the Dems do pack the Court and/or force a nationwide abortion rights law - you very well could see Civil War 2 - Electric Boogaloo).
Imagine if the Court had NOT issued Roe. We are almost 50 years later. It is likely that most states would have legalized abortion to some extent without the national rancor.
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Posted on 5/7/22 at 7:34 am to udtiger
Or not.
Posted on 5/7/22 at 7:40 am to udtiger
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force a nationwide abortion rights law - you very well could see Civil War 2
The country was much more conservative when Roe passed and there was no civil war. There won’t be one, either, if a right to abortion law passes. It would not be a terrible outcome, either. If a national law passes it will be a compromise on the order of abortion being legal in the first trimester, allowable in the second trimester for rape or serious health of the mother issues, and in the third trimester only to save the mother’s life.
That’s what we’ll end up with, on average, if we let the states decide, only we’ll have some in which nothing is allowed and some in which everything is allowed.
Posted on 5/7/22 at 7:43 am to udtiger
A second Civil war is long overdue in this country.
Posted on 5/7/22 at 7:45 am to udtiger
America has been on the brink of a second civil war since April 1865
This post was edited on 5/7/22 at 11:03 am
Posted on 5/7/22 at 7:47 am to udtiger
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you very well could see Civil War 2
Nope. They stole a presidential election and nobody did anything. No civil war. Lets not start acting like tough guys now.
Posted on 5/7/22 at 7:49 am to Penrod
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If a national law passes it will be a compromise
LOL. No it won't.
Posted on 5/7/22 at 7:49 am to udtiger
Since we're talking a SC justice here I'd just like to point out a fact that many people probably don't know - out of the seven justices who voted in favor of RvW five of them were appointed by a Republican president. Eisenhower appointed Brennan and Stewart, Nixon appointed Blackmun, Powell and Burger.
Posted on 5/7/22 at 7:51 am to jlovel7
The SCOTUS is not hearing ROE v WADE it`s a fake leak,they are hearing election fraud,and will overturn it.think fences
Posted on 5/7/22 at 7:54 am to Homesick Tiger
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Since we're talking a SC justice here I'd just like to point out a fact that many people probably don't know - out of the seven justices who voted in favor of RvW five of them were appointed by a Republican president. Eisenhower appointed Brennan and Stewart, Nixon appointed Blackmun, Powell and Burger.
Republican presidents have a pretty bad record with SCOTUS nominees. The problem is that Dems shifted to absolute ideologues under Clinton and haven't looked back while GOP have continued to look for impartial jurists (with mixed success at best [for every Scalia, Thomas, snd Alito there's a Kennedy, Souter or Roberts]).
This post was edited on 5/7/22 at 7:55 am
Posted on 5/7/22 at 7:58 am to Penrod
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If a national law passes
Congress can pass a law, but it doesn't mean it will be constitutional.
Posted on 5/7/22 at 8:03 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:all of them were white men. So you have a bunch of Communists on the left freaking out because they want womens body rights to be determined by old white men.
Since we're talking a SC justice here I'd just like to point out a fact that many people probably don't know - out of the seven justices who voted in favor of RvW five of them were appointed by a Republican president. Eisenhower appointed Brennan and Stewart, Nixon appointed Blackmun, Powell and Burger.
Posted on 5/7/22 at 8:13 am to hashtag
ROEvWADE didn1t just happen,it was the plan,false testimony,if congress were to pass a law it would get shut down as unconstitutional.it is what the shadow govt wanted
Posted on 5/7/22 at 8:19 am to Jack Carter
quote:most people don't KNOW that....they THINK that. Even the good evidence hasn't reached the majority of Americans.
They stole a presidential election and nobody did anything. No civil war. Lets not start acting like tough guys now.
Hard to pick up arms and kill people based on a hunch
Posted on 5/7/22 at 8:33 am to Jack Carter
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Nope. They stole a presidential election and nobody did anything. No civil war. Lets not start acting like tough guys now.
You are so right. We are feckless and full of faux outrage. Truly tolerant.
*edit*
And to prove the point to anyone who wants to birch and moan about it and try to prove you wrong, I would like to suggest their buying habits and make the point they haven't avoided buying Chinese products.
Wake up. The real whore is us.
This post was edited on 5/7/22 at 8:36 am
Posted on 5/7/22 at 8:33 am to LSUwag
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A second Civil war is long overdue in this country.
We never really had a first civil war, unless you count the revolution against Britain.
States tried to legally secede. Lincoln started a war to stop them. This is different than a true civil war.
Posted on 5/7/22 at 8:39 am to udtiger
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She lamented Roe because it brought a halt to the natural expansion of abortion rights/access that was taking place in the USA at the time and turned it into a hot button political issue that would dominate the Court for decades.
Not only was she right, she was prescient. The political process should have been allowed to play out. Dems want the political process to solve things when it favors them, but want the Courts to give them what they cannot gain at the ballot box. That may be changing since they cracked the whole "voting" code in 2020. We'll see.
Posted on 5/7/22 at 8:41 am to udtiger
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Now, a reasonable and constitutionally valid reversal of Roe (and Casey) stands to completely unravel this nation
No it doesnt
The number of people that have super strong feelings about abortion one way or the other is pretty small
The economy and crime are much bigger issues to the majority
This post was edited on 5/7/22 at 8:42 am
Posted on 5/7/22 at 8:43 am to udtiger
Like most things, forcing the issue is never the best course.
I agree that abortion would've been legal in most states, although with restrictions.
I agree that abortion would've been legal in most states, although with restrictions.
Posted on 5/7/22 at 8:45 am to Cosmo
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No it doesnt
The number of people that have super strong feelings about abortion one way or the other is pretty small
The economy and crime are much bigger issues to the majority
I agree with the last point.
However, my statement wasn't as to the decision itself (assuming the Left is not successful in their intimidation efforts), but as to what the Dems will likely do in response:
Jettison the filibuster
Pack the SCOTUS
Force through a nation-wide abortion law (that would be deemed constitutional by the packed Court)
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