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Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:23 am to hawgfaninc
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Ukraine is denazified
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:25 am to hawgfaninc
Hell no.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:27 am to hawgfaninc
-No NATO membership - ok
-No peacekeepers - would allow them for a few years until things settle down
-Ukraine denazified/demilitarized - ok on #1, allow defensive force for #2
-4 Donbass + Crimea - Would want some access to Sea of Azov (probably Kherson)
-No peacekeepers - would allow them for a few years until things settle down
-Ukraine denazified/demilitarized - ok on #1, allow defensive force for #2
-4 Donbass + Crimea - Would want some access to Sea of Azov (probably Kherson)
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:29 am to theunknownknight
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None of this would have a happened if Obama and his crew didn't lead a coup there to install this laundering operation 10+ years ago
This is on Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden. All of them.
All of these clowns either ramped up military aid and/or meddled in the political affairs of Ukraine.
We - the USA - are not the “good guys” in this. Russia is no longer communist, atheistic nor a threat to our country as under USSR.
Only major superpower where Christianity is championed and spreading.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:30 am to Florida_Man1981
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Russia won't follow their side and will just resume hostilities covertly immediately and openly in 4-6 years.
So like what the US does all the time? Our government has more liars than Russia has.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:31 am to AggieHank86
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But demands that NATO not base troops on ITS OWN SOIL (e.g. Finland, Norway, Estonia, etc.) and that Russia dictate the size of NATO armies?
And some of these people in the comments actually think that is a good deal for Ukraine and Europeans the NATO countries that border Russiaai
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:32 am to hawgfaninc
Demilitarized? Dealbreaker. A sovereign nation has a right to defend itself
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:32 am to SwampMonster
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We - the USA - are not the “good guys” in this. Russia is no longer communist, atheistic nor a threat to our country as under USSR.
Only major superpower where Christianity is championed and spreading.
Putin soy boys crack me up.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:36 am to prplhze2000
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Demilitarized? Dealbreaker. A sovereign nation has a right to defend itself
Don't tell these people on here that.
They have Putin derangement syndrome.
PDS
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:40 am to SwampMonster
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This is on Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden. All of them.
Wrong. Trump is not to blame for Bush, Obama and Biden installing the CIA network in Ukraine. Trump couldn’t have gotten them out if he wanted to during his first term because of the backlash he would’ve gotten from the deepstate
They impeached him for what Biden was doing in Ukraine as VP
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:42 am to prplhze2000
Peace through strength requires having some strength. Russia is winning the war, putting that demand in is a way to save face on rejecting peace after they have been saying they were open to peace negotiations
Ukraine will never (and should never) accept a deal where they have no military, any country that agrees to that is no longer a country
Little Z likely wouldn't agree to giving up Kherson anyways, but if Russia were to remove the demilitarization aspect Im sure the US could flex enough to get them to come to the table. I would bet most Ukrainian citizens would be in favor of giving up Kherson in exchange for a peace deal.
Ukraine will never (and should never) accept a deal where they have no military, any country that agrees to that is no longer a country
Little Z likely wouldn't agree to giving up Kherson anyways, but if Russia were to remove the demilitarization aspect Im sure the US could flex enough to get them to come to the table. I would bet most Ukrainian citizens would be in favor of giving up Kherson in exchange for a peace deal.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:45 am to hawgfaninc
The demilitarized one seems problematic. Don't see Ukrainians going for that without NATO.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:47 am to hawgfaninc
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- No NATO membership for Ukraine
No problem. Nato agreed years ago to not add more states, then lied and did just that.
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- No NATO "peacekeepers" in Ukraine
No problem, they can be the worthless blue hat UN peacekeepers.
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- Ukraine is denazified/demilitarised
No problem with getting rid of the nazis (not sure how you do it though, but every nation has a right to defend itself with a military.
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- 4 Donbass regions recognised as Russian territories plus Crimea
If it ends the war and keeps Ukraine from losing more land (and lives).
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:08 am to djsdawg
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This only happens if we elect a weak democrat
Agreed... It's more common colloquialism is the 'Kamala clause'
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:10 am to Mr Cell Phone
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United States of America will never be trusted again in the western world
They already dont trust us.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 10:13 am
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:12 am to hawgfaninc
Demilitarization after they were attacked? I guess Putin fears his fist being bloodied by UKR’s nose? The rest are plausible, but this one is insane.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:14 am to hawgfaninc
Seems pretty reasonable. I’d counter, giving Putin all that except a demilitarized Ukraine and go from there.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:18 am to Proximo
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Wrong. Trump is not to blame for Bush, Obama and Biden installing the CIA network in Ukraine. Trump couldn’t have gotten them out if he wanted to during his first term because of the backlash he would’ve gotten from the deepstate
They impeached him for what Biden was doing in Ukraine as VP
100% correct. Your 2 downvoters don’t know what they’re talking about.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:19 am to hawgfaninc
That’s a lot better deal than they deserve.
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