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re: Run 2.23 for Arbery #werunwitharbery
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:25 am to OccamsStubble
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:25 am to OccamsStubble
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How can anyone see the situation for anything other than what’s described above?
Well, FACTS will always trump hyperbole. So will video.
It's real fun to decry that some white rednecks were simply out hunting a black man to stalk and shoot. And knew the cops would just pat them on the back and turn a blind eye.
^^^--- That there, never happened. I realize in the liberal/ progressive mindset it gains cool points with all the other beatniks to pretend that 2021 is just the same as 1964. But you cats don't live in reality anyway.
Somebody tells the initial story of a meek mannered high school kid out jogging, not doing anything but just being black, and suddenly out of no where, T-Roy and Bubba take him down. And then the social justice warriors go crazy and the media stokes the lie without examining facts.
Then, a real live investigation happens. Video surfaces, criminal backgrounds uncovered, and suddenly the lie has the light shed upon it and POOF, people just keep believing and telling the lie over and over hoping it becomes truth. The TRUTH will win you the folks you want to reach. LYING to bolster a movement is only going to get a face palm.
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Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:30 am to CamdenTiger
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It’s a lot less than running ing a 5.56.....
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:33 am to riccoar
quote:Do these folks EXIST? Sure.
Somebody tells the initial story of a meek mannered high school kid out jogging, not doing anything but just being black, and suddenly out of no where, T-Roy and Bubba take him down. And then the social justice warriors go crazy and the media stokes the lie without examining facts.
Then, a real live investigation happens. Video surfaces, criminal backgrounds uncovered, and suddenly the lie has the light shed upon it and POOF, people just keep believing and telling the lie over and over hoping it becomes truth. The TRUTH will win you the folks you want to reach. LYING to bolster a movement is only going to get a face palm.
But you are not talking to any of them here.
I doubt that I am alone in thinking that Arbery was a little punk and probably a petty thief. Neither of those beliefs (even if true) provide justification for the extra-legal actions of Clan McMichaels in this confrontation.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:37 am to riccoar
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Then, a real live investigation happens.
That’s what should have happened
But you can’t use a postmortem investigation to justify a citizen’s arrest.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:37 am to riccoar
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LYING
Like you did in the other thread but are to much of a coward to address? That kind of LYING?
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:41 am to riccoar
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It's real fun to decry that some white rednecks were simply out hunting a black man to stalk and shoot. And knew the cops would just pat them on the back and turn a blind eye.
I don’t believe that’s what happened. If you’re arguing with people who believe that, I’m not your intended target.
I didn’t see a compelling reason for the white boys to try to enact a citizen’s arrest, though. And no compelling reason for them to pull a gun on him.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 10:50 am to AggieHank86
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But you are not talking to any of them here.
Oh, I believe there are a few. My point is ignoring facts and hyperbolic statements will not magically make what they want to believe become truth.
And I believe the ultimate goal is to say that a private citizen overstepped something the police should have handled, and as a result a tragic death occurred.
But anyone who believes those trying to detain him wanted him dead are just living in an alternate world where everyone who doesn't believe like them is a racist. I'd say 99.999% of folks have ZERO use or cause to listen to any point they make. BS will never win you favor.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:09 am to riccoar
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But anyone who believes those trying to detain him wanted him dead
Whether they “wanted him dead” or not, they did pull the trigger. And it’s very rational and reasonable to believe that what they did was wrong. It certainly seems morally questionable apart from the law. And considering the law, they do have some serious jeopardy that they’re facing.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:23 am to AggieHank86
quote:But wouldn't they also have to show that they knew all of this at the time of the incident?
This was the point of the new video.
They have found a bunch of allegations of prior bad acts (mostly without criminal charges and wholly without convictions), which the Defendants want to admit into evidence in hopes that they will help establish that intent.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:23 am to riccoar
quote:I mean - that is exactly what happened - and it would have stuck if not for the video.
And knew the cops would just pat them on the back and turn a blind eye.
^^^--- That there, never happened
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:25 am to riccoar
quote:Says one of the ilk who are SO CERTAIN that the deceased was INTENT ON COMMITTING A FELONY.
But anyone who believes those trying to detain him wanted him dead
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:27 am to the808bass
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Whether they “wanted him dead” or not, they did pull the trigger.
Even more, they did bring the guns
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:38 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:That is a VERY interesting LEGAL question.quote:But wouldn't they also have to show that they knew all of this at the time of the incident?
They have found a bunch of allegations of prior bad acts (mostly without criminal charges and wholly without convictions), which the Defendants want to admit into evidence in hopes that they will help establish that intent.
There is a burglary IF Arbery had the requisite intent. The existence of a burglary is INDEPENDENT of the knowledge of Clan McMichaels. It either exists or not, depending entirely upon Arbery's intent.
The arrest statute allows the arrest if the violation was committed in their presence or immediate knowledge. Thus, one could argue that they were acting under color of law as long as a burglary did occur based upon Arbery's intent, even if they did not KNOW his intent but so long as that intent did exist.
Pretty esoteric, which is what makes it interesting.
This post was edited on 4/1/21 at 11:39 am
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:38 am to Big Scrub TX
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I mean - that is exactly what happened - and it would have stuck if not for the video.
No it's not. You are just making shite up because your mind was made up the first time you heard the jogging narrative.
The video proves their was no intent AND that they were doing exactly what they claimed they were doing. The issue is people like you were making up assumptions while the cops had already viewed all of the video. Therefore, under current law, there was no need to detain those involved.
If the races involved were switched, nobody outside of Georgia would have ever heard about it.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:40 am to riccoar
quote:In my case, quite the opposite is true. I initially thought that Clan McMichaels was probably engaged in a valid citizens' arrest, until I started studying the nuts and bolts of the specific statutes related to burglary and citizens' arrest. It was the very specific language of the statutes that moved the needle for me.
No it's not. You are just making shite up because your mind was made up the first time you heard the jogging narrative.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:42 am to the808bass
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I don’t believe that’s what happened. If you’re arguing with people who believe that, I’m not your intended target. I didn’t see a compelling reason for the white boys to try to enact a citizen’s arrest, though. And no compelling reason for them to pull a gun on him.
Same here. Truth be told, I’m one of those “rednecks” that is being referenced. Not a liberal, not a soy boy, just a guy with a closet full of guns who likes to shoot them. I’ll be shooting this weekend. It isn’t illegal for me to carry at work, but it is against the rules. I carry anyway.
These two fools tries to play cop, and a guy who had stolen nothing ended up dead. They embarrassed themselves, and every gun rights advocate out there.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:45 am to riccoar
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You are just making shite up
Like claiming that the house under construction had been burglarized a few days before Arbery's death?
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:46 am to AggieHank86
And I believe that at the time the police didn't detain because they believed it was not murder or didn't warrant it. The cops had to have reviewed the video well before the first SJW started screaming racism.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:48 am to OccamsStubble
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These two fools tries to play cop, and a guy who had stolen nothing ended up dead. They embarrassed themselves, and every gun rights advocate out t
No argument there. But these clowns trying to turn it into another Michael Brown or Trayvon case are not helping matters by continuing to lie about what really occurred.
Posted on 4/1/21 at 11:50 am to mouton
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Like claiming that the house under construction had been burglarized a few days before Arbery's death?
Stop trolling like a little bitch then and post the FACTS. Either come with some substance or GTF away.
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