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re: Rumors are swirling Trump will announce our exit from NATO tonight
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:33 am to stout
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:33 am to stout
National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024. Passed by a Republican house and Democrat led Senate.
No way we give up 5 military bases in Europe
quote:This was probably passed because of what Trump said during his 1st 4 years.
NATO withdrawal edit Section 1250A (22 U.S.C. § 1928f) prevents the President from withdrawing from NATO without approval of a two-thirds Senate supermajority or an act of Congress.
No way we give up 5 military bases in Europe
This post was edited on 3/4/25 at 8:35 am
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Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:33 am to stout
No way...I'd love to see it but that just isn't Trump. He doesn't want to rock the boat too much. Just look at ukraine. We all knew he wanted to stop supporting them but it took over a month for him to drag is feet doing it.
He'll probably just bluster about NATO for 4 years and not actually do anything about it.
He'll probably just bluster about NATO for 4 years and not actually do anything about it.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:34 am to udtiger
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I doubt he will announce complete w/d
It's just rumors at this point, but the speculation of him attacking NATO again to pay their fair share at his speech just a few days after Europe puffing their chest and siding with Zelensky makes me hope it happens. He will be calling Europe's bluff in other words.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:35 am to stout
I’d prefer to pull out of NATO but if we must stay in, we should be funding 1/10 of our current levels.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:35 am to stout
We kind of have to. Europe will push us into WW3 unless we do so.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:37 am to Jax Teller
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How do we ensure they don't invoke Article 5 on us though?
If they're attacked, we would respond, NATO or no NATO
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:38 am to BigPerm30
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we should be funding 1/10 of our current levels.
We're not "funding" NATO...well in any meaningful way.
NATO operations are miniscule.
We're funding our actual military
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:38 am to stout
It's what should happen. America First.
Allowing the lil dictator, the EU, and the UK to manipulate the US into military conflict with Russia is not putting America First.
It's a game of chicken. The EU thinks Trump won't remove itself from NATO, hopefully he does.
Let Europe have the military bases, send our troops and equipment home.
We can redeploy them along the southern border.
Allowing the lil dictator, the EU, and the UK to manipulate the US into military conflict with Russia is not putting America First.
It's a game of chicken. The EU thinks Trump won't remove itself from NATO, hopefully he does.
Let Europe have the military bases, send our troops and equipment home.
We can redeploy them along the southern border.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:39 am to stout
We are not pulling out of NATO and we shouldn't.
We should use our power to make sure NATO is run properly, funded fairly and that the other countries are not taking advantage of our generosity.
Also, use that power to improve trade relations and other issues, such as free speech, etc.
We should use our power to make sure NATO is run properly, funded fairly and that the other countries are not taking advantage of our generosity.
Also, use that power to improve trade relations and other issues, such as free speech, etc.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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NATO operations are miniscule.
We're funding our actual military
Seriously?
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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If they're attacked, we would respond, NATO or no NATO
I don't agree. Trump wants nothing to do with WWIII or war with Russia. In Trump's mind, it's not even an option. frick that.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:40 am to Tmcgin
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The puppet always does the masters bidding
Explain to the class how Trump is both a tyrant and a puppet.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:41 am to Lakeboy7
You seem to be confused about being in NATO and funding it. Trumps most likely thought on this is until Europeans start fully funding it including arrears then Americans will stop funding. This would piss off all the others hopefully to the point that breaking America out of it altogether, that would be great. Most likely though Europe will squawk loudly, stomp their feet and make pointless arguments then still not properly fund it as they are as broke as the next guy
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:42 am to stout
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Europe is expediting this process by allowing their countries to be invaded without even waging a war
That's a function of their own demographic crises, which have existed for more than 100 years now and were made worse by fighting two large wars on European soil. The Pentagon estimates that the 'global South' has excess population capacity of 250 million people for the rest of this century. The visualizations of the demographic crisis in Europe (as well as Russia) is stark. LINK
There are hard choices to be made by Europeans but the Russian security threat still exists. Ukraine is a deceptively large country in terms of area, and the frontline as it exists today would stretch from Vienna to France (if I did the math correctly). But as the demographic crisis in Europe continues, you'll see the world return to a state before European hegemony, where the importance of South and East Asia are elevated where as the importance of Europe is diminished.
The Russians are making the same mistake that the Europeans are making in the last century, which is to continue to harbor imperialist ambitions in the fact of a declining population. The ethnic Russian population has been declining severely since the end of the USSR, and the Russians are also importing from Central Asia and the Caucuses.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:42 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Also, use that power to improve trade relations and other issues, such as free speech, etc.
I think this is Trump's angle. He will bully NATO countries just like he has been bullying Canada and MX to bring them to the table to get what he wants
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:44 am to stout
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Rumors are swirling Trump will announce our exit from NATO tonight
1. Trump is not pulling the USA out of NATO tonight. Republicans have a 3 vote majority in the House and 4 vote majority (3 seat majority + Vance as tiebreaker) in the Senate. Pulling out of NATO would cost Trump the neocons and RINOs and that would doom his legislative agenda. Basically pulling out of NATO tonight would be political suicide.
2. The US is probably never pulling out of NATO.
3. If Trump does ever pull the US out of NATO it will not be before he secures a "peace deal" with Russia and passes his legislative agenda.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:44 am to Flats
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Seriously?
Yes. There is dishonest rhetoric that conceptualizes some bucket of "NATO spending" to make bad arguments. That doesn't exist.
We spend a lot on our military and it needs a haircut for sure, but our military covers the entire world, not just for the region covering NATO. The European countries are only projecting defense and regional coverage.
There is more dishonesty with using the totals. All that shows is the scale of the GDP difference in the US and individual European countries. Breaking it down by %GDP is much better. We don't even lead in this category, FWIW, but we're clearly at the top. But the chasm isn't nearly as great.
Difference in spending isn't nearly as shocking, when you see it displayed properly.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:48 am to stout
He is def top 5 dumbest
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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when you see it displayed properly.
You think "properly" is an objective term?
The facts are that we're bearing an inordinate share of a big-arse military insurance policy. Claiming that's not an operational cost is silly; it's a cost.
Posted on 3/4/25 at 8:50 am to Flats
Guy is a lawyer, a really bad one. 
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