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re: Ruh-Roh: Interview that did not age well for Odumbf*ck....
Posted on 7/31/25 at 7:37 am to moneyg
Posted on 7/31/25 at 7:37 am to moneyg
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Define your use if assessment?
I mean he's the Unified Executive and head of the agencies. His assessment is basically whatever he says, which also makes it the agency policy.
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And that Assessment, in your hypo was Obama’s?
Yes, to look at it differently than the original intel assessments they briefed him with. There is nothing legally that mandates he accepts their assessments or that he lacks power to direct them otherwise. It's the opposite, especially since January 2025, where he has full authority to do basically whatever and instruct agencies however.
I'll give you a contemporary comparison. Trump's EO on birthright citizenship is illegal on its face, yet that's the stance of the admin. Had he sought actual legal analysis, he would have been told this policy was illegal, but he overruled that analysis and implemented his own policy. I don't think he has any criminal exposure for that illegal policymaking.
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Posted on 7/31/25 at 7:38 am to Penrod
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He can claim that he was concerned that the the Steele Dossier was true, and that’s why he ordered it.
Hillary bought it, not Osama.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 7:40 am to Penrod
We know it & it’s proven.
No one wants to do anything just like with J6, which was also a trap to get Trump & his supporters.
No one wants to do anything just like with J6, which was also a trap to get Trump & his supporters.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 7:41 am to Penrod
quote:It is amazing how the Leftist media has no problem with doing just that when it comes to President Trump. But somehow cannot make any connections when it comes to former President Obama.
All it establishes is that it was Obama who asked for the assessment. It does not establish what Obama’s motivation was.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 7:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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" I don't like this 'assessment' and refuse to report report it publicly - go make me another"
He's the head of the agencies. That's literally within his power.
this is the definition of involving personal opinions into an investigative assessment. IE there is/was a predetermined goal.
how you don't see this is amazing. Not surprising, just amazing.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 7:42 am to moneyg
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Damn you admitted it.
That's teh underlying assumption of the hypothetical we're discussing. It's not some gotcha
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Obama made the decision, initiated action, and did it with knowledge that it was counter to the intelligence being reported to him.
Yes, and within that hypothetical, nothing about that is illegal within the context of Obama being the executive over these agencies.
Politically improper? Sure. Morally reprehensible? Possibly (depending on his sincerity). But Illegal? Naw.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 7:42 am to MMauler
I believe that. But in spite of what you write, it is not true that you can prove it. Can you cite one source that proves Obama said that the Steele Dossier was all fraud? You can’t. You might be able to prove that someone warned him that it wasn’t reliable, but that does not prove that Obama didn’t believe some of it was. The only way you could prove this is with the words of Barak Obama himself. You would have to have a recording of him saying, “I know it’s fake, but I’m going to use it anyway because I want to cripple Trump’s ability to govern.” And he didn’t say anything like that.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 7:43 am to Penrod
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All it establishes is that it was Obama who asked for the assessment. It does not establish what Obama’s motivation was. I’m fairly sure what it was, but no one can prove it. He can claim that he was concerned that the the Steele Dossier was true, and that’s why he ordered it.
Exactly.
And as this is a core Constitutional function of the President, courts are not permitted to judge the decision, per the immunity ruling.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 7:45 am to Screaming Viking
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this is the definition of involving personal opinions into an investigative assessment
Sure. You can frame it however you want to make it look bad, but he's the head of that agency. His personal opinion is the agency's opinion
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how you don't see this is amazing.
What "I see" is irrelevant when we're discussing the legalities involved.
This is where y'all run into rhetorical issues with honesty and conflating things that aren't being discussed with what is actually being discussed.
This post was edited on 7/31/25 at 7:46 am
Posted on 7/31/25 at 7:45 am to Wolfhound45
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It is amazing how the Leftist media has no problem with doing just that when it comes to President Trump.
Yeah, but we knew it was bullshite, and Trump was never convicted of any of that. He was impeached twice, and both times the Senate did not convict.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 7:46 am to Penrod
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The only way you could prove this is with the words of Barak Obama himself. You would have to have a recording of him saying, “I know it’s fake, but I’m going to use it anyway because I want to cripple Trump’s ability to govern.”
The proverbial "smoking gun" I referenced
Posted on 7/31/25 at 7:48 am to Penrod
quote:No, just his administration was hobbled from the very start which was the intent of this new “assessment” ordered by then President Obama. And he has subsequently fought that narrative from the time the Washington Post story broke to this very day.
Yeah, but we knew it was bullshite, and Trump was never convicted of any of that.
But other than that, no harm, no foul.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 7:50 am to Wolfhound45
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It is amazing how the Leftist media has no problem with doing just that when it comes to President Trump. But somehow cannot make any connections when it comes to former President Obama.
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No, just his administration was hobbled from the very start which was the intent of this new “assessment” ordered by then President Obama. And he has subsequently fought that narrative from the time the Washington Post story broke to this very day.
But other than that, no harm, no foul.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 7:58 am to Penrod
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Can you cite one source that proves Obama said that the Steele Dossier was all fraud?
According to John Solomon, new documents that have just been discovered show that Obama was told by Brennan in July 2016 that it was bullshite opposition research that Hillary was going to spread to deflect from a fraudulent and felonious email scandal.
Again, according to Solomon, the CIA had intercepted intelligence from the Soviet Union detailing this. Obama just sat by and watched it happen (despite knowing it was completely fraudulent) during the election, hoping that it would help Hillary. He didn’t get involved until Hillary lost, and he realized that Trump could really frick him up.
Remember Hillary‘s prediction...
In the end, it partially achieved it’s objective. Trump‘s first term was hamstrung by endless fraudulent investigations and fraudulent impeachment inquiries. In the conspirators back pocket, they had scumbag Mitch McConnell making sure that no Trump nominee could get confirmed unless they were part of the deep state and willing to participate in the obstruction. Therefore, no investigations were done in Trump‘s first term and no one was brought to justice.
This post was edited on 7/31/25 at 8:05 am
Posted on 7/31/25 at 8:01 am to MMauler
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This was never about national security. It was about crafting a narrative to justify illegal spying on an incoming president and launching a political witch hunt to overthrow a duly elected @POTUS .
On the scale of watergate, how bad is this?
Posted on 7/31/25 at 8:01 am to MMauler
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According to John Solomon, new documents that have just been discovered show that Obama was told by Brennan in July 2016 that it was bullshite opposition research
That doesn't answer his question.
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the CIA had intercepted intelligence from the Soviet Union
Those rat bastards have a time machine?
THAT is the real scandal.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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They are almost assuredly going to get away with it.
Sometimes I wonder just how you would react to years of intense lawfare conducted against one of your heroes. Using all the $$$ and talent and manpower of the federal government to keep any of your angels in court indefinitely defending against one "unprovable" charge after another.
And knowing deep down that the DEMs are really guilty of those charges and worse. Like you did with all the lawfare lodged against Trump for the past ten years - knowing that he was actually innocent of the charges.
Of course that is a pipe dream of mine - conservatives just don't act like that - those actions are the realm of your heroes in the propaganda Dept.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 8:18 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:that’d make you harder’n ah brick bat huh?
This is a "if you come at the King you best not miss" scenario for Trump, because trying these prosecutions, especially against Obama, and failing, would be disastrous for both Trump and MAGA (which includes any MAGA candidate running in 2028).
Posted on 7/31/25 at 8:24 am to MMauler
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scumbag Mitch McConnell making sure that no Trump nominee could get confirmed unless they were part of the deep state and willing to participate in the obstruction.
this is one of the most regrettable situations I can imagine - makes me wonder why he was so diligent in keeping that rat-bastard Garland off the SCOTUS in 2015. I guess we were 'lucky' in only having to suffer his incompetence for 4 years as AttyGen for the puppet biden.
Posted on 7/31/25 at 8:25 am to MMauler
SFP working hard to defend Democrats this morning! Anyone remember when he worked this hard to argue that the case in GA was "the strongest one against Trump"?
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