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re: Ron voters melting now

Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:39 pm to
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125337 posts
Posted on 4/4/23 at 11:39 pm to
quote:

He didn't fail.


To be clear, I’m asking what mistakes or poor outcomes did Trump end up with in his term.

Are you arguing he made no significant mistakes in policy or execution?
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
9886 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 12:22 am to
quote:

Covid was a disaster. His fourth year was not good.


To be honest no one would have done well in that situation. It was no win.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52025 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 1:17 am to
quote:

Most of the people that tout Desantis on this board are in all actuality Biden voters

Trump has regained momentum because of actions taken by Democrats (indicting him). Add it up. They want Trump, not DeSantis.

It is much more believable that the Dems would set up their bots to tout Trump on various boards.
Posted by jbdawgs03
Athens
Member since Oct 2017
12505 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 4:07 am to
Rmnldr does seem to be taking all this pretty hard. Everyone should pray for him
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
47986 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 4:18 am to
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He was cheated out of the second win - he's the most qualified person for the job and his record during his previous term speaks for itself.

quote:

That doesn't make it "his turn"

quote:

but
it really does.

The only thing - in my mind - that should logically prevent him from filling out his second term (stolen from him) - is that if somehow he disqualifies himself.

That is why I am so pissed when he comes out with his picayunish personal attacks -

IF he wants to be treated as a statesman = THIS is the time to show it.

NOW - that is in now way a slam against DeSantis = he is an EXCELLENT choice -

it is only that if there is such a thing as real JUSTICE and FAIRNESS = there is no logical choice but Trump - unless he disqualifies himself.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
47986 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 4:27 am to
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His fourth year was not good.

I thought it was excellent -

Only in RETROSPECT can we expect him to have acted 'better' - when 'better' is still being evaluated.

Now, many of us were right in our hesitations - but most of us yielded to the 'science' because that is what we do as responsible citizens - until the 'experts' prove themselves to be charlatans - which they are, in hindsight.

But as much as we suspected that - we had no real information ==== another reason that we should now rise up in righteous indignation that our entire 'scientific community' in the Federal Govt is just as suspect as the Justice and Intelligence communities.

Off with their heads!!! (= i.e. - kick them out of office - put the ringmasters in prison - disqualify the others from any other office of authority forever - eliminate any benefits they hold - claw back as much of their salaries as is possible.)

Now - in retrospect, it is wise to look back and re-adjust our opinions of who were the 'real' LEADERs with the wisdom and expertise they demonstrated in the heat of the battle.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
47986 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 4:34 am to
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I'm not saying covid was released on purpose and liberals had something to do with it but.....yes that's what I'm saying

For a realist there is no other conclusion. Being wary of any 'coincidence' that unduly benefits the POLITICAL agenda of a toxic cult, this was my very first thought when this thing struck.

I was OK with the "15 days to stop the spread" - IF ONLY it were nothing more than a 'fact finding' process in a period where there was no real information available (to those not in on the conspiracy) - it made sense, then.

However, as soon as it morphed into lockdowns, mandates, school closings, emergency "voting" power grabs the whole thing became clear to any thinking person ====> this was a PLANNED 'crisis'
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 5:42 am to
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You really, really should change your tune.


Pass.

You might be OK with nothing but Democrats since 2008. Some of us aren't.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 5:46 am to
quote:

He wasn’t, but Hillary would have been exponentially worse, and not a single other Republican would have been any better.


Trump was worse than Obama for the Second Amendment, so squash that bullshite right there.
Posted by Easye921
Mobile
Member since Jan 2013
2922 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 6:07 am to
quote:

You might be OK with nothing but Democrats since 2008. Some of us aren't.


That's the way some on here think. They're as bad as liberals. I'll vote for whomever is the nominee. Hopefully, it's Ron, but I imagine it will be Trump.
Posted by Boomer Rick
Member since Apr 2021
337 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 6:11 am to
If the nominee is Trump, then we are guaranteed 4 more years of Biden. Trump has turned off too many people and has virtually no shot to win.

How do people not see this?
Posted by PorkSammich
North FL
Member since Sep 2013
16827 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 6:49 am to
quote:

If the nominee is Trump, then we are guaranteed 4 more years of Biden. Trump has turned off too many people and has virtually no shot to win.

How do people not see this?


They see it, they just don’t care.

Sad.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14675 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 6:57 am to
quote:

Pass. You might be OK with nothing but Democrats since 2008. Some of us aren't.


And exactly how do you distinguish democrats from republicans when the best republicans can muster is standing by as the marxist democrat agenda is implemented and codified, and our country’s soul and sovereignty is sold to China?
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14675 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:01 am to
quote:

Trump was worse than Obama for the Second Amendment, so squash that bullshite right there.


That’s historically the case. Republicans are just smart enough to know their base will not tolerate caving to marxists on gun control. But caving when there’s a Republican in the White House is “for the good of the party.” This is a mystery to you?
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:27 am to
quote:

And exactly how do you distinguish democrats from republicans


Generally, when someone says they're a Democrat...until they're suddenly not...it's a pretty good indicator. Of course, governing like a Democrat will do it, too.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:28 am to
quote:

That’s historically the case. Republicans are just smart enough to know their base will not tolerate caving to marxists on gun control. But caving when there’s a Republican in the White House is “for the good of the party.” This is a mystery to you?


Wait...you think that was Republicans?

Posted by Tvilletiger
PVB
Member since Oct 2015
5875 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:35 am to
I really think we should all just sit back and let it play out. Trump has some other darts incoming. Will they be valid? Will they stick? Who knows. I just don’t think Ron is going to run though. This is kind of like flying a plane through the backwash of another jet. He should just let it pass then fly in. It will be understood by all “why” if he does not run now.
Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
7459 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:35 am to
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They want Trump, not DeSantis


They want division in the Republican Party. They don't care who the candidate is.

Neither can win because the party is so fractured and that will get worse not better.

NeverTrump is to blame because they won't support Trump under any circumstances.

Republicans could win a fair election if they were 100% united but the chances of that are zero.

A very large portion of Republican DC will never support Trump. Ever. This puts them at odds with and working against their own voters.

Does that sound like a team that can win anything. And as a bonus they blame Trump.

They created Trump.

This post was edited on 4/5/23 at 7:37 am
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14675 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:36 am to
quote:

Wait...you think that was Republicans?


Brady was under Bush 1, bump stock ban under Trump, no?
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14675 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 7:41 am to
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Generally, when someone says they're a Democrat...until they're suddenly not...it's a pretty good indicator.


Which is the main reason I voted for Cruz in the primary. But as Ronald Reagan taught us, sometimes the most staunch of conservatives are the ones who learned the hard way that democrats are marxists, and want to destroy this country.

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Of course, governing like a Democrat will do it, too.


Bush 2 governed not only like a republican, but a conservative, for the most part. Made for a sack of shite democrat-lite president, didn't he?
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