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re: Rolling Stones Co-Founder Reveals Why He Can’t Stand Rap Music

Posted on 9/25/23 at 3:47 pm to
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 3:47 pm to
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 and it does actually take a lot of talent to compose and perform
Not really. I hear shite at the gas station that sounds like whole notes and that ticky ticky sound at least half of them have with some dude talking in autotune. It is simplistic.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14681 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 3:47 pm to
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The Stones look like they've had some hard miles on their road.


That's a fact. But,

Mick Jagger = 80 years old.
Keith Richards = 79 years old.
Ronnie Wood = 76 years old.

They are my parent's age, and I'm 53. They should look rough.
Posted by MAADFACTS
Member since Jul 2021
1410 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 3:49 pm to
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They sample real songs to create a hook, and then yell over it. I've never been a fan of rap, but the "best rap songs" all use music created by someone else.


Off the top of my head The Roots and Kendrick Lamar both use real bands in the studio.

There’s also a difference between sampling like Puff Daddy used to do where it really is a repackaged hit from the prior decade and sampling like Kanye did where he’s pulling on much more obscure tropes to create something that sounds reminiscent of a previous era but also entirely new. The most obvious example would be the whichever early DJ heard the opening drum from “Long Red” by the band Mountain when they played at Woodstock and thought this should be what people rhyme over for the next five years
Posted by F1y0n7h3W4LL
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Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 3:50 pm to
I agree with those 3 old ladies. Rap is not music.
Posted by MAADFACTS
Member since Jul 2021
1410 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 3:52 pm to
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That's a fact. But, Mick Jagger = 80 years old. Keith Richards = 79 years old. Ronnie Wood = 76 years old. They are my parent's age, and I'm 53. They should look rough.


I think Mick Jagger is a notoriously clean living health nut. There was a while where he was stopping into my parents Catholic Bible study pretty regularly with healthy cookies for the group. I think Keith Richard earned his look by like the age of 40. Jagger looked like a girly Barney Fife when he was 25 and then turned into Skeletor because of his genes
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35160 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 4:18 pm to
Even in their 80’s the Stones blow away the shite that passes for popular music today.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69399 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 4:20 pm to
They actually dropped a new song and music video a couple weeks ago. It’s not bad.
Posted by jackamo3300
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2004
2901 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 5:13 pm to
More a symbol of a declining civilization.

Now we're seeing out of Madison Avenue commercials of whites imitating the histrionics and motions while obviously culturally appropriating, and being resented for it even more

The enthusiasm for such by those who didn't exactly have the West's best interests in mind is mentioned in John Coleman's book on Tavistock, which rips the infectious scab off the most intrusive, collusive propaganda mill in the world for the last 100-plus years.
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6631 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 6:08 pm to
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it does actually take a lot of talent to compose and perform


To some extent, sure. But how many rappers have their beats, loops, samples, "hype men", etc. sitting there when they walk into a studio? And for most of it, there's zero finesse. It's just a lot of mumbling and yelling with a pile of overdone production. Most of the best known rap songs wouldn't have caused the slightest ripple without sampling hooks from musicians who know how to compose a song.

Whether it's pop or rap, there's a huge contingent that would just as soon have a cheap drum machine going in the background that they can clumsily two-step to. And like the bankers that run cinema, a product that is cheap, infinitely repeatable and doesn't demand expensive talent is always a win.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26719 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 6:34 pm to
The only positive about rap is you don't have to be a good vocalist.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86475 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 6:38 pm to
What a bigot. There is no Rock and roll with out black people singing rhymes.

Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26719 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 6:42 pm to
Country music needs some of that Bakersfield sound back.

I doubt it would work but it would be nice if Dwight Yoakam had a clone.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86475 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 6:44 pm to
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Okay, Zach, why don’t you give it a try and show us all how easy it is? Show us how completely talentless one can be to make a catchy beat and lyrics that hook the audience. It’s very easy to get a trademark and register with ASCAP. It’s not easy to make something remotely good.



Puff daddy can’t sing or dance and made money sampling songs other people wrote.

Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26719 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 6:45 pm to
Probably no rock music without hill music.
Posted by BMeaux
Member since Aug 2008
117 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:45 pm to
If Rap was music, this would be in the Music Board.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
36089 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:48 pm to
Angry is a damn good song.

But, Keith is right. Rap is bad "music".That being said, Ronnie Wood has been the main guitarist for at least the last 30 years for The Stones. He carries Keith today.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
36089 posts
Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:51 pm to
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They should look rough


Buddy, Keith is just getting started. You will be in the ground and Keith will still be looking for someone to jam with.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:51 pm to
It sucks
Posted by Kafka
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 7:52 pm to
quote:

The Stones look like they've had some hard miles on their road.
they're 80 fricking years old
Posted by Kafka
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 9/25/23 at 8:17 pm to
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