re: Roll Call: Conservative but Not Religious

And yet here we are. Huh.

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The left has run on moralism: woke culture is a moral issue; trans rights are a moral issue; abortion is a moral issue. It goes on. They aren't just saying that they prefer these things: they are saying you are immoral if you don't side with them on these issues.

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They actually take it even further than this I would say its not even enough just to agree or side with them. They treat you as an enemy if you don't make their beliefs and lifestyles a part of your own lifestyle. This to me is the most off-putting item about the parties with the left being far worse than the right, however this is how many conservatives even on here treat would be allies on the topic of Christianity. There are few more condescending conversations than those I have personally had with conservative christians including those in my family speaking to me about my differering religious beliefs.

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Still uphold Christian values, just without the magic.

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It’s a shame how many intelligent people become fools by saying in their hearts “there is no God”. They want all the benefits of a Christian worldview (reason, science, objective morality, etc.) without any of the obligations (worship of God, obedience to His moral law, faith in His Son for salvation, etc.)

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Still uphold Christian values, just without the magic.

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What if that "magic" is just Science we aren't capable of understanding?

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I just live by the golden rule. Every religion has it. All the other details, rituals, and differences are just man made fluff. They all boil down to the golden rule.

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Not exactly. My point was that the Christian God provides the necessary preconditions for reason, science, and objective morality, and everyone has to knowingly or unknowingly borrow from the Christian worldview in order to makes sense of reality.

Take the golden rule, since you mentioned it. That is a moral concept. How does one who rejects the biblical God make sense of the innate need for moral absolutes? Evolutionary empathy? Well that doesn’t provide a rational basis for it and it can’t, because it would mean that morality is nothing more than a chemical response in the brains of some humans and animals. What about those who have no such response? Are they “wrong” for lacking an empathetic response because of their biological makeup?

And what rational basis is there to say that empathetic response is the only or even the best standard to use? Why not survival instinct, for example? Why not kill a competitor, or rape a prospective mate for procreation? Without an objective moral law-giver, you don’t have an objective moral law, so any attempt to create an objective moral law would become arbitrary, and thus, irrational.

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Although it is fun fricking with some of you. That’s the devil inside.

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What about that golden rule? Apparently you don’t even think it good or necessary to stick to that rule at all times, but relax it when it suits your needs.

I suggest you abandon this irrational worldview of yours and embrace that which our creator has made and revealed to us.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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And if you believe the Bible wasn't written or at the veryeast altered by the cabal then you are living in a fool's paradise. The Bible is pretty much a cut and paste of previous world religions and the stories are just beyond belief. But then very few have read the entire Bible. It's an eye opening experience to look at it objectively.

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The Dead Sea Scrolls were found in the 1940's. The Hebrew text in the Dead Sea Scrolls, written in the 3rd century BC is identical to the previous oldest existing Hebrew manuscripts dating back to the 10th century AD.

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And then you have Christians who have pretty much replaced God with Jesus.

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Jesus IS God. Jesus is one-third of the Holy Trinity - God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.

The Bible is the infallible, inerrant Word of God. If you were to take the time to learn the prophecies about the nation of Israel and the Jewish people - and how they have been fulfilled over the centuries and especially in the past 100 years - you would understand the veracity of the Bible and its undeniable accuracy.

This thread went about how I expected...

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just live by the golden rule. Every religion has it. All the other details, rituals, and differences are just man made fluff. They all boil down to the golden rule. Although it is fun fricking with some of you. That’s the devil inside.

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Jesus and Mohammed do not have similar teachings

The golden rule as a teaching has been around long before Jesus was born or the Bible.

I’m not perfect.

You accuse me of being irrational but you shite on anyone’s viewpoint different than yours. Funny.

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And yet here we are. Huh.

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Yes, here we are realizing that what’s “best” for the individual and the nation is a subjective opinion, not an objective reality.