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re: Roll Call: Conservative but Not Religious
Posted on 11/27/22 at 9:09 pm to armsdealer
Posted on 11/27/22 at 9:09 pm to armsdealer
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FooManChoo
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And this idiot is why we don't have a fiscally conservative party today.
Agreed. This guy has to be one of the lowest IQ, most ignorant, and most indoctrinated close-minded people on this board. Every one of his religious topic responses is utter drivel.
Count me in the conservative but non-religious group.
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Posted on 11/27/22 at 9:25 pm to Dex Morgan
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I believe in God. But being raised as a Baptist I generally see no godliness in those who subscribes to religion.
It's easy to get that way when everyone just makes excuses for why they don't obey in their faith.
Examples of things we now allow just because we will lose many members money.
Divorce and remarriage and living in adultery because of remarriage.
Christ taught clearly on this but people being people refuse the teaching.
When you allow major doctrine to be ignored then all of it gets taken piecemeal
When people in the church live just like those outside the church what else can you expect
Lastly the church being hypocrites can't bring others to Christ and can't even lead their own children to the faith.
We have become the ones talked about in the parable of the sower, the seed he has sown among thorns.
Those who hear the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches and the desires for other things enter in and choke the word, and it proves unfruitful.
This post was edited on 11/27/22 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 11/27/22 at 9:51 pm to FooManChoo
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The left has been waging, and winning, a cultural war for decades. Fiscal conservatism doesn't mean anything because it's not "real" to so many people. What's "real" are the social issues that people face every day in families, schools, on social media, etc.
We've been experiencing cultural rot for a long time and "fiscal conservatives" think it's no big deal.
I think more accurately you could say we just don't care. My general philosophy is if it doesn't affect my family or lifestyle, then it's none of my business. If you wanna bang dudes, or chicks with dicks, whatever. My life isn't affected by it.
There have been a couple overeaches though, biological men in women's sports needs to be addressed. While sports has always been somewhat of a genetic lottery, women's sports were created to make it more competitive due to obvious biological differences past puberty. But here is the rub, I don't need to elect other zealots to accomplish that rollback. Quite honestly most of the social things balance themselves out over time on their own.
Fiscal conservatism is very real though. The past two administrations Trump and Biden have been like teenagers with credit cards and no spending limit.
We should be spending less than we are taking in as revenue, and only exceeding it in an actual emergency. Any expenditures above the income stream can be considered if they have a monetary long term upside.
Current inflation is a direct result of that spending.
This post was edited on 11/27/22 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:03 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:Is your IQ high enough to make the distinction between things that make you mad and those that are actually poorly founded? Your post would indicate that it is still fairly short of that benchmark.
Agreed. This guy has to be one of the lowest IQ, most ignorant, and most indoctrinated close-minded people on this board. Every one of his religious topic responses is utter drivel.
Count me in the conservative but non-religious group.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:12 pm to VolcanicTiger
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Is your IQ high enough to make the distinction between things that make you mad and those that are actually poorly founded? Your post would indicate that it is still fairly short of that benchmark.
Your post will make him mad
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:12 pm to Dex Morgan
I'm a conservative that is open-minded enough to know that nothing is impossible, even God. That said I lean towards a creator more than just a poof of elements banging into each other creating the masterpiece that humans are. Though neither are really that realistic are they?
As for religion, I don't believe in the magic of Jesus. He was a man that obviously was very influential and loved by many. However, the story of Jesus we know has been told through the eyes of supporters. If Hitler's only story was told through his supporters eyes wouldn't we have a different perspective of him? He also was obviously very influential and loved by many.
As for religion, I don't believe in the magic of Jesus. He was a man that obviously was very influential and loved by many. However, the story of Jesus we know has been told through the eyes of supporters. If Hitler's only story was told through his supporters eyes wouldn't we have a different perspective of him? He also was obviously very influential and loved by many.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:16 pm to Dex Morgan
As always. Objectively, I have realized that the freedom, loving conservative values are actually the best for the individual and the country
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:20 pm to Texaggie96
quote:This kind of apathy is idealistic, as people who espouse it seem to think that the adolescent teenager, allowed to fester in anarchy in his room, will be a responsible adult when outside of it.
I think more accurately you could say we just don't care. My general philosophy is if it doesn't affect my family or lifestyle, then it's none of my business. If you wanna bang dudes, or chicks with dicks, whatever. My life isn't affected by it.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:21 pm to Squirrelmeister
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This guy has to be one of the lowest IQ, most ignorant, and most indoctrinated close-minded people on this board. Every one of his religious topic responses is utter drivel.
You disagreeing with someone is not evidence of their lack of intelligence. Whether you believe as he does or not, given his beliefs his arguments are rational and intelligently presented.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:28 pm to VolcanicTiger
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I think more accurately you could say we just don't care. My general philosophy is if it doesn't affect my family or lifestyle, then it's none of my business. If you wanna bang dudes, or chicks with dicks, whatever. My life isn't affected by it.
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This kind of apathy is idealistic, as people who espouse it seem to think that the adolescent teenager, allowed to fester in anarchy in his room, will be a responsible adult when outside of it.
Even more so, the affect that moral decline brings to the destruction of the family which leads to the shrinking of the middle class to eventually the collapse of society. You can see the evidence all around us.
So yes, Yes! social issues matter.
Social issues are the primary expenditure of tax payer money.
This post was edited on 11/27/22 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:29 pm to WTHisgoingon
quote:this is a statement I can get behind. Wife, not so much hah.
Would rather be on a boat thinking about God than in a church thinking about being on a boat.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:33 pm to Dex Morgan
Conservative Recovering Catholic here.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:34 pm to lsufanva
quote:That’s precisely why God chose Paul to be an apostle. He was a Jew who persecuted Christians, arresting them and participating in their martyrdom. He was feared by Christians because of this and it took some convincing to have Christians trust him. He was the poster child for the enemy of Christ before God changed his heart.
As for religion, I don't believe in the magic of Jesus. He was a man that obviously was very influential and loved by many. However, the story of Jesus we know has been told through the eyes of supporters. If Hitler's only story was told through his supporters eyes wouldn't we have a different perspective of him? He also was obviously very influential and loved by many
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:36 pm to VolcanicTiger
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This kind of apathy is idealistic, as people who espouse it seem to think that the adolescent teenager, allowed to fester in anarchy in his room, will be a responsible adult when outside of it.
I have two children, one about to head to college. They're both kind, well adjusted kids. My oldest wants to get into computer science and engineering so he can create robotics to perform surgery to save lives.
If your kid grows up to be a maladjusted jackass, my experience is that's generally a reflection of a shitty parent, not whatever social issue you currently find abhorrent.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 10:42 pm to Dex Morgan
Conservative agnostic here. Raised baptist and went to a baptist private school early on.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 11:04 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Objectively, I have realized
There’s no such thing as “objective” in this particular area.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 11:08 pm to Texaggie96
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If your kid grows up to be a maladjusted jackass, my experience is that's generally a reflection of a shitty parent, not whatever social issue you currently find abhorrent.
I agree with this. But a question - would it make sense for good parents to pay attention to issues that may not affect their own children for the sake of children that were less fortunate in the parent lottery? Ultimately our kids are going to have to live in a society largely made up of kids that didn’t grow up with good parents.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 11:09 pm to Texaggie96
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My general philosophy is if it doesn't affect my family or lifestyle, then it's none of my business.
If you’re white slavery wouldn’t have impacted your family, except perhaps in a positive way.
Posted on 11/27/22 at 11:16 pm to David_DJS
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I agree with this. But a question - would it make sense for good parents to pay attention to issues that may not affect their own children for the sake of children that were less fortunate in the parent lottery?
It would make sense for good citizens to be concerned about things that don’t directly impact them or their family. Even if your personal morality allows for absolute selfishness, nobody lives in a vacuum.
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:10 am to Texaggie96
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If your kid grows up to be a maladjusted jackass, my experience is that's generally a reflection of a shitty parent, not whatever social issue you currently find abhorrent.
That's a cop-out. We all know losers with great parents, and we all know great people with loser parents. We all know that sending a kid to school for 7+ hours a day, 180 days out of the year, can undo a lot of good parenting. Even in private schools. If you (not specifically you) can only deal in absolutes, then you're part of the problem. This is one of the problems I have with mainstream "libertarians": they can reduce all the complex issues into stupid platitudes and unrealistic idealism. Like it or not, if your city burns down, it will affect you, no matter how many Milton Friedman videos you made your kids watch.
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