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re: Rittenhouse Day 4 of deliberation: Not Guilty on all counts...He is Free!!!

Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:31 am to
Posted by Jcpau
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:31 am to
Will they deliberate Saturday and Sunday if no verdict today?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:31 am to
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A crusader on either side is a problem.



Someone 'crusading' for acquittal is simply deciding based on the evidence and facts presented.

You're making it sound like someone not willing to budge on acquitting kyle is no different than someone not willing to budge on convicting him.

Surely that's not what you meant, right?

Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
8510 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:32 am to
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Today is the day for the hung jury on all counts.


I tend to agree. All bad news for the MSM tends to come at 4:00 on Friday afternoons when people check out.
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
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Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:34 am to
Rittenhouse went into this with a stacked deck against him. A semi competent Prosecutor convicts him. I guess we forgot what the jury did to Chauvin and is willing to do with Rittenhouse.

For the defense a hung jury is as good as an acquittal, then the judge will drop his nuke that he has stored in his back pocket.
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:34 am to
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. A crusader on either side is a problem.



i disagree. i want a crusader for "not guilty" that has to be completely and utterly convinced on every single trial, whether it's Rittenhouse, OJ, Chauvin, or whoever.
Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15623 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:39 am to
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Will they deliberate Saturday and Sunday if no verdict today?


No Packers vs Vikings is their Iron Bowl
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:40 am to
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a crusader


I would guess that the person meant crusader in the sense of someone who wasn’t looking at the facts and was deciding on outside opinions or information or predisposed biases.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:41 am to
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Rittenhouse went into this with a stacked deck against him. A semi competent Prosecutor convicts him. I guess we forgot what the jury did to Chauvin and is willing to do with Rittenhouse.



I don't see how Chauvin is relevant in this. Chauvin helped kill a black guy which started off the summer of riots that everyone wanted over and done with. It also occurred in one of the most liberal parts of the country.

Rittenhouse shot 3 white rioters, two of which are stone cold proven self defense situations. The only real issue the defense has is Rosenbaum, who was erratic and shouting the N bomb.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
146170 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:42 am to
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No Packers vs Vikings is their Iron Bowl

not for Kenoshans

Kenosha is <1.5 hour drive from Chicago & <2.5 hour drive from Green Bay

I imagine Packers/Bears is the bigger Packer rivalry down that way than Packers/Vikings
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
80168 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:43 am to
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Someone 'crusading' for acquittal is simply deciding based on the evidence and facts presented.



Let's be honest, that is not necessarily the case.

You and I may think he is not guilty based on the evidence we have seen, but that doesn't mean it's impossible for there to be a juror who had their mind made up that he is Not Guilty before this thing started.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
146170 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:44 am to
Legal Bytes is here
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
45868 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:44 am to
so?

If the evidence clearly supports that bias, what's the difference?
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
106771 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:45 am to
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Legal Bytes is here


More revealing clothing is needed.
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
140702 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:46 am to
Chauvin case is very relevant to this in terms of juries and wanting to send messages. Just as in the Chauvin case, there was enough evidence and clear evidence that he did not commit murder, but the jury made its mind up before being sat.

This case, there is clear evidence of Self Defense, but the jury wants to convict, a non idiot prosecution would have convicted Rittenhouse easily.

Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
31697 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:47 am to
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I would guess that the person meant crusader in the sense of someone who wasn’t looking at the facts and was deciding on outside opinions or information or predisposed biases.



i didn't mean i want somebody belligerent against the truth or any evidence ever convincing them, but somebody who walks in and says I am going vote not guilty unless there is just irrevocable evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt.

if i'm in rittenhouse's shoes, i'd pray for somebody like that on my jury.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
24291 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:52 am to
So, they just caught fatboy and the state in another lie.
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
140702 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:54 am to
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So, they just caught fatboy and the state in another lie.



What do you mean? I can not watch it anywhere...
This post was edited on 11/19/21 at 9:55 am
Posted by TigerTattle
Out of Town
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:56 am to

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So, they just caught fatboy and the state in another lie.

What?
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
24291 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 9:57 am to
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What do you mean? I can not watch it anywhere...


The state said they didn't know who dropped off the drone video and just found out last week it was Brandon Beaman. However, Brandon Beaman was on the state's witness list from the beginning. So, they knew all along.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/19/21 at 10:01 am to
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it's impossible for there to be a juror who had their mind made up that he is Not Guilty before this thing started.


Considering we've all seen all the evidence presented a few days after it occurred over a year ago, you think coming to the conclusion that Kyle acted in self defense is problematic? That makes someone a 'crusader' along the lines of someone who's decided Kyle was guilty despite having seen all the evidence prior to the trial starting?
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