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Posted on 11/19/18 at 9:50 am to bmy
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The feds arent coming for your guns
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bmy

Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:04 am to troyt37
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What does the Constitution say about supporting welfare queens and illegal immigrants?
“The Congress shall have Power To ...raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years,”
The founders clearly opposed a professional standing army
"In time of actual war, great discretionary powers are constantly given to the Executive Magistrate. Constant apprehension of War, has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people" James Madison
"Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied: and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals, engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." James Madison
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:06 am to TrueTiger
Democrats will never come and take your guns.
Republicans will never make abortion illegal.
Once you realize these two truths, you can focus on the important stuff.
Republicans will never make abortion illegal.
Once you realize these two truths, you can focus on the important stuff.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:07 am to beerJeep
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So you’re cool taking in a refugee? Awesome! Glad you’re willing to share your home
Just paying my taxes
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I’ll cut 2 dollars from the military for every 1 dollar cut from welfare/Medicare/medicaid
You cool with that?
Lets just cut 10% across the board. 1% per year for a decade.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:11 am to bmy
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Just paying my taxes
So why aren’t you willing to let one bunk on your couch for a few weeks til they get their own place?
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Lets just cut 10% across the board. 1% per year for a decade.
Or we can cut out any and all entitlements. From tax credits to subsidies to welfare. Cut them all.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:20 am to beerJeep
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So why aren’t you willing to let one bunk on your couch for a few weeks til they get their own place?
Because I don't want the hassle. It's a pathetic gotcha attempt
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:37 am to bmy
Well, you found the constitutional mandate for the military. Still looking for the welfare queens and illegal immigrants clause?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:56 am to FlatLakeTiger
Remember when Trump wanted to seize guns with no due process?
I member.
The Hill
I member.
The Hill
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 10:57 am
Posted on 11/19/18 at 11:01 am to troyt37
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Well, you found the constitutional mandate for the military. Still looking for the welfare queens and illegal immigrants clause?
Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."
Posted on 11/19/18 at 11:13 am to bmy
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Article I, section 8 of the U. S. Constitution grants Congress the power to "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general Welfare of the United States."
Right, so you didn't find a damn thing about welfare queens or illegal immigrants. As a matter of fact, common defense would be a mandate to keep those not legally allowed to be in our country from entering. General welfare would be support for those things that are good for America, and Americans. Are welfare queens good for America, and Americans? Shouldn't the welfare queen and her sperm donors be responsible for her welfare?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 11:25 am to bmy
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Because I don't want the hassle
So why do you want someone else to deal with the hassle?
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It's a pathetic gotcha attempt
Not at all. You want SOMEONE to house and feed these people, just not you.
You’re the child who wants to take home a puppy and then force everyone else to take care of it because you have hot wheels to play with.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 11:30 am to Green Chili Tiger
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Democrats will never come and take your guns.
Of course they won't. They'll do what CA does. Ban a certain gun and if you're caught with it, they'll throw you in jail for a decade or two.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 12:02 pm to troyt37
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As a matter of fact, common defense would be a mandate to keep those not legally allowed to be in our country from entering. General welfare would be support for those things that are good for America, and Americans.
Well there are plenty of benefits to illegal immigration which is why it has never been really addressed.
And I think most americans would agree that a safety net is good for America and for Americans
Posted on 11/19/18 at 12:06 pm to upgrayedd
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Of course they won't. They'll do what CA does. Ban a certain gun and if you're caught with it, they'll throw you in jail for a decade or two.
I think they'll pass another "assault weapons" ban when they control the government again. It will have little impact on crime but it will make everyone feel better.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 12:08 pm to beerJeep
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So why do you want someone else to deal with the hassle?
Not at all. You want SOMEONE to house and feed these people, just not you.
You act like letting asylum seekers into the country requires letting strangers into your personal residence. It's a pathetic argument
I think we should temporarily provide the basic necessities for those granted asylum. That's all
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Posted on 11/19/18 at 12:08 pm to fallguy_1978
Yep. There are almost as many people killed with shotguns as rifles, but everyone says shotguns are perfectly fine
Posted on 11/19/18 at 12:30 pm to bmy
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You act like letting asylum seekers into the country requires letting strangers into your personal residence. It's a pathetic argument
They aren’t asylum seekers. If they were, they would have requested asylum at the First Nations border they came across.
And they have to go somewhere. Where are they going to live? Places owned by citizens. Other citizens. Not you.
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I think we should temporarily provide the basic necessities for those granted asylum. That's all
And I think they don’t deserve jack shite.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:18 pm to bmy
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Well there are plenty of benefits to illegal immigration which is why it has never been really addressed.
Until now. Opposition from the Republican Chamber of Commerce establishment for cheap labor and opposition from Democrats because of votes. If you're concerned about anything being done about the issue, then you should applaud Trump for taking it up to the detriment of both sides.
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And I think most americans would agree that a safety net is good for America and for Americans
I actually agree with you here, likely for the same reasons as you, but if I had my way, recipients of safety net programs would lose their voting privileges so long as they receive benefits. I'm even ok with generational welfare in this situation. If some choose to do nothing but collect a check from the government, knock yourself out, but you won't be voting.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:33 pm to bmy
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Well there are plenty of benefits to illegal immigration which is why it has never been really addressed.
There would be plenty of benefits to bank robbery as well, if it weren't for that pesky thing called the law. That's what the Constitution is, and why those who ignore and usurp it should be charged or expelled from the legislature. Every one of them take an oath to preserve and defend the Constitution (the law) and precious few of them actually take that oath seriously.
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And I think most Americans would agree that a safety net is good for America and for Americans
A safety net is one thing, generational welfare for able bodied citizens who have no intention of becoming gainfully employed, or even simply supporting themselves and those they are responsible for, is a completely different animal.
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