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re: Riddle me this about the US healthcare system

Posted on 7/9/26 at 8:30 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
140470 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 8:30 pm to
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You have limited knowledge as to "how it works"
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Neither do you.

You make my point, perfectly.
Well done.
Posted by Eighteen
Member since Dec 2006
37463 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 8:32 pm to
the hospital and insurance companies “make” that small percent after it’s sucked up by hospital admins/middle management across the orgs

also hospitals are not even getting paid for a lot of their patients, that’s the scam. large segment of the population use the hospitals for free and just throw bills in the trash. who pays for all of that?
Posted by CrystalPreserves
Member since May 2019
4849 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 9:45 pm to
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You make my point, perfectly. Well done.


That’s a neat little sidestep, bubba.

You haven’t said what I got wrong. You just suggested I don’t know enough to say it. Which is about what I expected.

If there’s a hole in the argument, point to it. Otherwise, this is just more of the same.
This post was edited on 7/9/26 at 9:46 pm
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
31690 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 9:48 pm to
Doctors have been cut 30% since 2000. Hospital admins make bank. They are like locust. Feed off a hospital until it's blighted and move on the the next.

Big insurance is making bank. They don't mention how much they make off their PMB's, hospitals, doctors and pharmacies they own. Many of their "expenses" go back to other companies under a large corporate umbrella.
Posted by Louisianalabguy
Member since Jul 2017
1986 posts
Posted on 7/10/26 at 2:19 pm to
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Short answer? Politicians.

Long answer? Middlemen, bankers, lawyers and politicians

... Long way you have come to truth young jedi citizen...
Posted by RandRules
Member since Mar 2025
514 posts
Posted on 7/10/26 at 3:16 pm to
The two groups responsible are mainly Lawyers and Insurance, and neither group helps in curing you of your sickness or bringing down your costs.

Regarding the insurance industry and their 10% profit margins, take a look at what they pay their employees (every employee from top to bottom) and prepare to be amazed. Most of us are in the wrong line of business.
Posted by seedmonster77
Member since Feb 2025
273 posts
Posted on 7/10/26 at 3:52 pm to
I live in a city that has 2 large hospitals. From what i've seen since the 1990s they never stop upgrading/building new additions/new wings/new parking ramps. The only other "business" that does this locally is the university. Both seem to have unlimited monies. It's interesting how all the roads in this town are s#it except the roads around the university and the roads around the hospital. The whole economy of this city seems to be based on people needing constant medical care. I remember growing up the only time i went in was when i broke my wrist and when i get hit by a drunk driver as a child. Heck my neighbor ran me over on my bike when i was a little kid and all he did was give me a candy bar.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
24704 posts
Posted on 7/10/26 at 6:08 pm to
There is a group of people know for "poor mouthing" you down. The trickle down effect of their habit is now found in the healthcare industry because it works for them.

Once the government got into the healthcare business, well, you know the rest of the story.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
39066 posts
Posted on 7/10/26 at 6:32 pm to
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I live in a city that has 2 large hospitals. From what i've seen since the 1990s they never stop upgrading/building new additions/new wings/new parking ramps. The only other "business" that does this locally is the university. Both seem to have unlimited monies. It's interesting how all the roads in this town are s#it except the roads around the university and the roads around the hospital. The whole economy of this city seems to be based on people needing constant medical care. I remember growing up the only time i went in was when i broke my wrist and when i get hit by a drunk driver as a child. Heck my neighbor ran me over on my bike when i was a little kid and all he did was give me a candy bar.
Small part of the overall mess that is the healthcare system is that CMS incentivizes such construction as allowable costs in your Medicare cost report. This report is done in arrears so you increase your DRG reimbursements the years after you incur these expenses. All of these calculations are extremely complex and you can't do things to extreme, luxury items, etc., but real stuff like adding beds, renovation of the building, buying a new PET scanner that you may or may not need. Here, we have a CON (certificate of need) process for anything over a certain cost (I have been out of it to long know what that number is).
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
39066 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 3:17 pm to
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also hospitals are not even getting paid for a lot of their patients, that’s the scam. large segment of the population use the hospitals for free and just throw bills in the trash. who pays for all of that?
You apply for Disproportionate Share Hospital payments. Here is the formula. Academic medical centers get a bit more because the educational component.


DSH Patient Percent = (Medicare SSI Days / Total Medicare Days) + (Medicaid, Non-Medicare Days / Total Patient Days)

Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
27233 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 4:22 pm to

Inefficiency abounds.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
27233 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 5:37 pm to
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What about all the uninsured going to the ER? That is being paid for by everyone else.


My sister is a retired nurse that spent years working in an ER. It pissed her off royally that some of the usual suspects would come for some trivial thing they could easily buy at a pharmacy, put a lot of money into the vending machines for snacks and talk loudly on their cell phones that were better than hers and then refuse to pay the $3 Medicaid co-pay.
Posted by Neutral Underground
Member since Mar 2024
3680 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 5:40 pm to
Bro, if we could get rid of all the fraud in the medical industry to the prices would come down dramatically. Medicaid is just a piggy bank for scammers.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
140470 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 5:47 pm to
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DSH Patient Percent = (Medicare SSI Days / Total Medicare Days) + (Medicaid, Non-Medicare Days / Total Patient Days)
Indeed, and systems exact it ... as I guess they should from a fiduciary stance. But in the process it changes their productivity emphasis to a CMS gaming prospective
Posted by BrianKellysbuyout
Member since Nov 2025
1858 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 5:56 pm to
All of the money is tied up in all of the for profit clinics and hospitals that are popping up everywhere. The hospital systems are making a lot of money. That's why they can buy naming rights to sports arenas that haven't even has their ground breaking yet.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
140470 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 6:27 pm to
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My sister is a retired nurse that spent years working in an ER. It pissed her off royally that some of the usual suspects would come for some trivial thing they could easily buy at a pharmacy
Correct.
The name of the game ... is the game itself.

Here's a different example:

In Charlotte there is a county facility which has quite a nice maternity unit. Private rooms, full service, anesthesia, state of the art, obstetrics, etc. But a pair of branch facilities are more akin to a Four Seasons Hotel. They are designed to attract upper end parturients in the surrounds.

Hispanic patients hear about these "five star facilities." As such care is on someone else's dime, they want to partake. They are followed by the county, are uninsured, and followed at the county hospital, yet show up to the Four Seasons facilities in labor, and can not be transferred.

They know what they are doing.
They understand the system exquisitely.
They game it simply to access more plush facilities.

The problem is two-fold.
From a system perspective, they are paying nothing.
But from their personal care perspective, medical records are sometimes difficult to acquire in the middle of the night, or on a weekend, and critical details of their prenatal care are sometimes obscure. The latter is occasionally not insignificant, much to the detriment of mother and child.

From a medical quality of care perspective, it is infuriating. Because despite enjoying the plush facilities, important prenatal findings are sometimes not available until after the fact.
This post was edited on 7/11/26 at 6:48 pm
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49549 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 6:42 pm to
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So, if all this is true….where is our money going? Somebody is making bank, yet almost groups within the healthcare industry say their bank account is barren.


A tremendous amount of users either pay less than the cost of care or pay nothing at all.

Not to mention the financial burden of regulatory compliance is a nightmare.
Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
HSV
Member since Jan 2021
4269 posts
Posted on 7/11/26 at 7:21 pm to
And 6 dumbasses don't have the IQ to understand that you have explained the problem quite simply.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
39066 posts
Posted on 7/12/26 at 7:38 am to
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Indeed, and systems exact it ... as I guess they should from a fiduciary stance. But in the process it changes their productivity emphasis to a CMS gaming prospective
We were a large DSH hospital as in a lot of non payers. Our DSH payments were so large at times we would get interim payments because I believe they came quarterly. But, I guess my DSH description was aimed at the guy "who pays for this"? And the answer is he, you, and I, or anyone that actually pays taxes. It's gotten way worse since the illegals invaded. I can't imagine how hospitals survive anymore. Many of our small rural (Mississippi) hospitals took advantage of that program that essentially turns the hospital into an emergency room, stabilize patient and transfer. I forget the name of the program.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
46930 posts
Posted on 7/12/26 at 9:58 am to
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So, if all this is true….where is our money going?


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