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re: RI middle school had mural of Moloch?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:54 am to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 2/20/26 at 6:54 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:No, it was monotheistic from Abraham (Abram) and remained monotheistic as a religion. The Israelites rebelled and worshipped other false gods of the surrounding tribes and nations and received judgment from God for it.
No, it wasn’t. It slowly developed into monolatry and then only later into monotheism.
quote:Ever hear of the Maccabean revolt? The Jews refused to accept sacrifices to other gods at the temple and other things against their monotheistic religion. That happened prior to the Roman occupation.
That one reason why you didn’t see widespread Roman persecution of Jewish religious practices across the Roman Empire in the period immediately before Christianity, but then did see persecution against Christians. It’s because the Jews were fine with acknowledging Pagan Roman religious practices as actual devotions to gods. Christians weren’t.
The Romans didn’t have a problem with the Jews because they worshiped a God of strength that smote His enemies, and this religion was ancient. Christianity was regarded by the Romans as a novel upstart religion of women and slaves, where their God died a shameful death on a Roman cross. They thought that was weakness.
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Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:06 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
I did a search of the picture in the X post via Google lens, and the ONLY reference is the circulation of the same story in OP via social media, starting late on February 18th and mostly yesterday. No actual news story, interviews, statements, etc.
Yep. I'm smelling fake news.
I am yet to see any report that does not trace back to the Alex Jones tweet.
Not one single corroborating statement from a parent, teacher or administrator at that school, or anyone else claiming to have actually seen it. No independent photographs, either.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:09 am to FooManChoo
quote:
No, it was monotheistic from Abraham (Abram) and remained monotheistic as a religion. The Israelites rebelled and worshipped other false gods of the surrounding tribes and nations and received judgment from God for it.
He's talking about history, science, archeology, genetics, etc.
All you're doing in response is citing the Bible.
quote:
Ever hear of the Maccabean revolt?
The weird part, here, is that you're now referencing a historical event and ignoring the Bible. It's weird how you choose to shift back and forth.
But he referenced Rome. The Maccabean revolt doesn't involve Rome. And that was about a lot more than what you posted, starting with Antiochus raiding the Second Temple and then a Jewish coup attempt when they thought Antiochus died. Then there was your typical conflict spiral that led to outright rebellion by the Jews.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:11 am to SlowFlowPro
Search them up yourself.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:12 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:once they denied Jesus they ceased to be worshipping the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. The entire OT was pointing to the coming messiah. The messiah came and they rejected him and in doing so they rejected their God.
How?
What they worship today is a satanic false god
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:13 am to Night Vision
quote:
RI middle school had mural of Moloch?
Great question. I am yet to see any report that does not trace back to the Alex Jones tweet.
No reports from any person who claims to have actually seen it.
No photographs showing it from a different perspective than the one in the original tweet.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:26 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I’m talking about the inspired and infallible word of God as evidence against false claims.
He's talking about history, science, archeology, genetics, etc.
All you're doing in response is citing the Bible.
quote:I’m not ignoring the Bible at this point. The Bible doesn’t contradict the revolt.
The weird part, here, is that you're now referencing a historical event and ignoring the Bible. It's weird how you choose to shift back and forth.
quote:Correct, which is why I also said “That happened prior to the Roman occupation”, which you seemed to ignore.
But he referenced Rome. The Maccabean revolt doesn't involve Rome.
My point in referencing this was to show that the Jews were strongly monotheistic before they were even occupied by Rome.
quote:The other details were not necessary. Antiochus desecrated the temple and offered sacrifices to other gods there. That was a major cause of the revolt precisely because the Jews were monotheistic.
And that was about a lot more than what you posted, starting with Antiochus raiding the Second Temple and then a Jewish coup attempt when they thought Antiochus died. Then there was your typical conflict spiral that led to outright rebellion by the Jews.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:27 am to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:
Search them up yourself.
I did and have posted about it ITT.
There is no good sourcing outside of the echo chamber.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:29 am to LakeSide Lovin
quote:
once they denied Jesus they ceased to be worshipping the God of Abraham,
Not true. This is illogical.
You're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole to fit your worldview and ignoring their continued worship of the exact same god.
Their god didn't change. You're trying to dishonestly change it because you believe in a successor version of that god.
quote:
The messiah came and they rejected him and in doing so they rejected their God.
This makes no sense within the context of this discussion.
They rejected a new god, a successor god. They kept the old god.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:30 am to SlowFlowPro
I don’t care
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:35 am to FooManChoo
quote:
I’m talking about the inspired and infallible word of God as evidence against false claims.
Yeah I said you were citing the Bible.
He's talking about actual history, science, archeology, genetics, linguistics, etc.
quote:
I’m not ignoring the Bible at this point. The Bible doesn’t contradict the revolt.
For the discussion, you've moved from the Bible to actual history.
The implication is, you showed you're capable of discussing actual history here, but refuse to do it above. It's curious.
quote:
The other details were not necessary.
My details explained the actual conflict and its genesis.
Your details just described late acts of pettiness in the conflict spiral, which have no real value.
quote:
Antiochus desecrated the temple and offered sacrifices to other gods there
The Abomination was much later in the conflict spiral, after the revolt by Jason, which is what amplified the conflict spiral.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:36 am to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:
I don’t care
Not caring about the truth is EXACTLY how these echo chamber stories spread
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:40 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:not at all.
Their god didn't change. You're trying to dishonestly change it because you believe in a successor version of that god.
Jesus is the eternal Son of God it was always about Jesus. God never changed the Jews just rejected him when he presented himself to them in human form as the messiah
It was Jesus who walked in the garden with Adam and Eve
It was Jesus who presented himself to Abraham
It was Jesus who spoke to Moses from a burning bush
It was Jesus who saved the 3 dudes from the fiery furnace
And there are so many other examples of Jesus in the OT
You can’t worship the God of Abraham if you reject Jesus
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of who the God of the Bible is if you got from what I said that God changed
quote:you couldn’t be more wrong about what I believe. I believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The exact same God that the OT Saints believed in
Their god didn't change. You're trying to dishonestly change it because you believe in a successor version of that god.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:42 am to LakeSide Lovin
quote:
you couldn’t be more wrong about what I believe
My comment was based off your words
If your faith in the god you've discussed on here isn't sincere, I don't care. That's between you and that god.
quote:
It was Jesus who walked in the garden with Adam and Eve
It was Jesus who presented himself to Abraham
It was Jesus who spoke to Moses from a burning bush
It was Jesus who saved the 3 dudes from the fiery furnace
And there are so many other examples of Jesus in the OT
How many times is "Jesus" written in the OT?
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:48 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I am also talking about actual history. The Bible itself is written testimony.
Yeah I said you were citing the Bible.
He's talking about actual history, science, archeology, genetics, linguistics, etc.
quote:The Bible tells about actual history. I haven’t moved from one thing to another. You reject the biblical account as actual history; I don’t.
For the discussion, you've moved from the Bible to actual history.
The implication is, you showed you're capable of discussing actual history here, but refuse to do it above. It's curious.
quote:My details were only intended to call attention to a historical event that supported my claim that the Jews were monotheistic even before the period of Roman conquest of Israel. You are trying to deflect the argument and focus on the completeness of the narrative rather than it being an evidence of monotheism.
My details explained the actual conflict and its genesis.
Your details just described late acts of pettiness in the conflict spiral, which have no real value.
quote:If the Jews were fine with worshipping other gods as the claim was made, then the abomination wouldn’t have been an issue, or at least not as big of one as was made by the Jews. Whether it spawned the revolt or merely contributed to it is irrelevant to my point. They were monotheistic.
The Abomination was much later in the conflict spiral, after the revolt by Jason, which is what amplified the conflict spiral.
I think this is another example of you attempting to win an argument based on technicalities rather than on substance. A typical lawyer trick, but I’m not concerned, because the point stands.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 7:56 am to FooManChoo
quote:
My point in referencing this was to show that the Jews were strongly monotheistic before they were even occupied by Rome.
But they weren’t. Look, it’s not worth arguing with you. You don’t have a detailed historical understanding of a lot of this other than your understanding of the Bible. You so confidently talk about things without even acknowledging the possibility that you may be wrong.
Why not pick up the book that I mentioned (or others) and read it? Because you have no interest in hearing anything that may contradict your beliefs. So just go on your way.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:00 am to FooManChoo
quote:
If the Jews were fine with worshipping other gods as the claim was made
quote:
I think this is another example of you attempting to win an argument based on technicalities rather than on substance. A typical lawyer trick
You just engaged in a typical lawyer trick here. If you’re referring to me, I never claimed that the Jews “were fine with worshiping other gods” for themselves. Whatever, you have no interesting in understanding or attempting to understand. Again, you could eat a source that I’ve out in this thread, but you have no interest. Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:05 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:If the Bible is infallible revelation from God as I believe it to be, then I accept that the interpretations of men about historical artifacts can be wrong.
But they weren’t. Look, it’s not worth arguing with you. You don’t have a detailed historical understanding of a lot of this other than your understanding of the Bible. You so confidently talk about things without even acknowledging the possibility that you may be wrong.
quote:I read a lot of books but don’t have the time to read every possible book that someone recommends, as I have many books that I have prioritized and want to get to.
Why not pick up the book that I mentioned (or others) and read it? Because you have no interest in hearing anything that may contradict your beliefs. So just go on your way.
Why don’t you highlight the specific evidences (or some of them) that the book claims and have a discussion about that rather than asking someone to read a book about it? When I have theological discussions, I could just tell someone to read the Bible or other books, but instead I make the arguments about what I believe the Bible teaches so that people on a public message board can engage with them.
Posted on 2/20/26 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Echo chambers like "very fine Nazis" or Russian collusion, or lunging for the wheel of a limo?
GFY
ETA - 10 pages in, and you're still pretending this didn't happen.
SOP for the Left
- deny it's real
- claim if real, it happened years ago, thus making it somehow irrelevant.
- admit it happened, and that it's GOOD that it did (coming soon)
GFY
ETA - 10 pages in, and you're still pretending this didn't happen.
Loading Twitter/X Embed...
If tweet fails to load, click here. SOP for the Left
- deny it's real
- claim if real, it happened years ago, thus making it somehow irrelevant.
- admit it happened, and that it's GOOD that it did (coming soon)
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 9:16 am
Posted on 2/20/26 at 9:28 am to imjustafatkid
quote:Still no reporting of the "actual picture" other than social media references to the SINGLE social media "actual picture."
Are you asking if we have anything other than actual pictures?
No. You won't find better evidence than that
In a world of AI, you are willfully ignorant.
Ten pages of debate on an "actual picture" of something that does not exist.
Intelligent people occasionally question the premise.
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