re: Review of 50–60 million voter records revealed thousands of ineligible and outdated

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ID needed to vote. Fukk you!

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You seem confused

I believe all states should have voter ID laws

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How would one find that a person is a non-citizen?

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Take that question outside of this context and ask it in your head.

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Says the guy that a couple of months ago didn't know it was illegal for states to require proof of citizenship to register for federal elections.

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I let this slide earlier, but you did the same dishonest/bad rhetoric in this thread, responding to posts about voter ID with this non sequitur.

Stop

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I let this slide earlier, but you did the same dishonest/bad rhetoric in this thread, responding to posts about voter ID with this non sequitur.

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You're suggesting that there's not an exchange between us 2-3 months ago where you didn't believe me that it was illegal to require proof of citizenship to register to vote in federal elections? I'm not talking about a couple of days ago/week ago when you (laughingly) complimented me on getting the case (AZ vs. Tribal Council) right.

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Take that question outside of this context and ask it in your head

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Instead, how about you answer the question. I'm a non-citizen. I registered to vote. I voted. How is it discovered that a non-citizen voted?

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There are near infinite ways to determine if someone is a non-citiezen

Have you missed all the ICE threads on here? Deportation stories/stats?

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Can you just answer the question? How is it discovered that a non-citizen that registered to vote, voted? And I mean in the normal course of business.

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Very convenient that this random Twitter account doesn’t produce the numbers. “Some of them voted” sounds like they are just blabbing nonsense. So many words… yet no actual information Maybe one day yall will figure it out… one can hope….

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Can’t imagine being as dumb as this

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the more important question is what is wrong with registering people who are ineligible to vote?

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Based on voter registration citizen surveys in Arizona where 1500 people were registered as living on one vacant lot, I'd say phantom voters are a major part of the fraud.

Every state needs to have yearly random surveys to check if people registered at their listed address are real people, still live in state, are alive and are citizens.

I hadn’t heard of this story. Not seeing anything on it. Only thing I found was that homeless people in Maricopa County can register using a municipal courthouse or city building.

Where did you get the number 1500 from? Is there more to the story, like how many of those suspicious voters had cast ballots?

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I hadn’t heard of this story. Not seeing anything on it. Only thing I found was that homeless people in Maricopa County can register using a municipal courthouse or city building.

Where did you get the number 1500 from? Is there more to the story, like how many of those suspicious voters had cast ballots?

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Unfortunately, the link is no longer active, but it was a statistical guy who did an initial survey comparing Arizona voter registrants to their listed addresses. His survey indicated that around 30% weren't living at their listed address. Based on his initial findings, a group of about 800 people volunteered to physically go and check a very large sample of Arizona voter registrations. They found that indeed about 30% were either bogus, phantoms, people who moved out of state, or were dead. That's where the 1500 people listing their address at the same vacant lot came from along with many other absurd examples.

Louder With Crowder did their own small video version having a producer check some addresses. One they found with an address that turned out to be in an under pass. The day after the show aired, several of the bogus addresses listed changed. Not exactly a serious survey from Crowder, but clearly the fraudsters were actively covering their tracks and revealing how easy it was for them to "officially" manipulate registration data.

Grok found some of the original Piton survey, but no details on how deep the Citizen survey went. And of course, the usual suspects said "there is no evidence."

"Statistion Piton" appears to be a reference to Bobby Piton (sometimes described as a mathematician or data analyst), who conducted an informal analysis of Arizona voter registration data in late 2020. He presented his findings at a November 30, 2020, hearing in Phoenix organized by Republican state legislators (often associated with Rudy Giuliani's efforts to challenge the 2020 election results).

realclearpolitics.com

Key Claims from Piton's AnalysisPiton examined publicly available or shared Arizona voter registration records and highlighted what he viewed as statistical anomalies suggesting widespread irregularities or "phantom voters." His main points included:Voter turnout and registration growth far outpacing population growth. He noted that Arizona's population grew about 40% from 2000 to 2020, but the number of people voting allegedly tripled (from roughly 1.1 million in 1998 to 3.2 million in 2020). He argued this indicated fraud building gradually over more than a decade.

facebook.com

Large numbers of "fake people" or invalid registrations, estimating 120,000 to 306,000 ballots potentially cast by non-existent or ineligible voters. He claimed he would "bet his own life" on the election being fraudulent based on the data.

vice.com

Anomalies in voter data fields, such as ~460,000 registered voters with missing or "U" (unknown) sex/gender entries, along with other patterns in addresses, registrations, and voting history that he flagged as suspicious (e.g., clusters of registrations at certain addresses).

reddit.com

He provided a sample of ~3,900 "questionable" voter names to activist groups like We The People AZ Alliance (led by Liz Harris) for further canvassing. Some reports from those efforts claimed issues like multiple voters at single addresses.

usatoday.com

Piton described himself as analyzing official government data and worked informally with some involved in the later 2021 Maricopa County audit (though his role was unofficial and not central to the final Cyber Ninjas report). He also sent letters to Arizona legislators urging decertification of the 2020 results.

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Government does keep records of citizenship for many purposes

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The irony here is the principal reason federal law forbids states from requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote in federal elections is because the government doesn't keep an accurate record of citizens.

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It also keeps records of citizenship, voter registrations and voting records among other things. The only thing that it doesn't have records of due to our secret ballots is who voted for who.

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I'll ask the question SFP couldn't answer - I'm a non-citizen. I register to vote in federal elections using the postcard. I listed Sun Devil Stadium as my address (which is legal to do), and did not provide a SSN, DL or any proof of citizenship. I then vote by dropping my ballot off at a dropbox, which means instead of ID, they're verifying my signature on the envelope w/ the signature on my registration postcard.

How is it discovered that my vote is fraudulent?

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Also, this raises all sorts of questions for the states who pulled out of ERIC a few years ago, because identifying these outdated duplicate registrations was one of the primary goals of ERIC. Also, just understanding the issues and why things like ERIC were formed proves that this isn't some new revelation. It just seems that way for the ignorant.

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Anyone who thinks ERIC was built to clean up voter rolls is retarded.