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re: Reuters Immigration EO Poll: Favor +8%
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:10 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:10 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Not surprising, America is scared of Muslims.
Honestly - religion aside - it's doubtful they'll contribute much of anything to our economy and will be a drain on public resources. For that fact alone, I don't want them.
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Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:11 pm to Strophie
Yeah, maybe we should just forget about it... Put it in the past...
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:13 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
LINK
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Migrants in Germany have committed 142,500 crimes in just six months, police figures have revealed
This was the equivalent of 780 crimes a day - an increase of nearly 40 percent over 2015, according to data from Germany's Federal Criminal Police Office
It comes as German chancellor Angela Merkel remains under pressure over her open-door policy on immigration amid concerns over how to integrate 900,000 newcomers who arrived last year.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:16 pm to joshnorris14
Liberals are living in la la land on this issue. The fact of the matter is this: strategic travel restrictions from terror prone nations is a MODERATE, COMPROMISE action to take. It's the middle ground between outright banning muslims and letting them all in.
Americans have always been supportive of this.
Fringe protestors don't represent majority opinion.
Americans have always been supportive of this.
Fringe protestors don't represent majority opinion.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:27 pm to joshnorris14
I'm surprised the support is not higher
Not very accurate poll since they most likely poll majority urban people.
Not very accurate poll since they most likely poll majority urban people.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:29 pm to gthog61
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8% would not be "slightly" if it was the other way.
Dishonest sons of bitches
Add 10% to that poll because you know those dishonest bastards under counted the polling data.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:32 pm to Seldom Seen
You know what. You're right. I guess it is rational to have a huge fear of all the scary Muslim immigrants coming into our country and planning their dastardly deeds. Particularly from those 7 countries. I mean, shite, the odds of me being killed by one of those bastards must be pretty darn high.
Oh, wait.
Whoops, never mind.
It's just completely irrational fear mongering. I'm pretty sure I spelled it right that time.
Oh, wait.
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But after sifting through databases, media reports, court documents, and other sources, Alex Nowrasteh, an immigration expert at the libertarian Cato Institute, has arrived at a striking finding: Nationals of the seven countries singled out by Trump have killed zero people in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1975 and 2015.
Zero.
Whoops, never mind.
It's just completely irrational fear mongering. I'm pretty sure I spelled it right that time.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:34 pm to joshnorris14
quote:Not for nothing, but in no world did the press EVER refer to an 8 point differential in favor of a liberal idea as a "slight" difference
with slightly more approving the measure than disapproving, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll released on Tuesday.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:34 pm to CaptChandler
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I'm looking at you, SJWs.
Whoa, you better calm that shite down. TD is not a place to be throwing around hateful comments that will inevitably hurt people...
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:34 pm to Hangover Haven
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Yeah, maybe we should just forget about it... Put it in the past...
Where did I say to forget about it?
It was a horrific event, and one that has had a huge impact in the shaping of our country. But it was a black swan.
Continuing to use 9/11 as a scapegoat to promote fear mongering is pretty reprehensible, though.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 5:58 pm to joshnorris14
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with slightly more approving the measure than disapproving,
Slightly more.
If this was flip flopped the other way, it would read "Americans overwhelmingly reject Trumps immigration EO"
Posted on 1/31/17 at 6:06 pm to joshnorris14
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sharply divided
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slightly more approving the measure than disapproving
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Support: 49%
Oppose: 41%
Hmmm...actually doesn't seem like slightly to me. That's a significant amount in favor.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 6:36 pm to Strophie
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But it was a black swan.
Sounds like you need to brush up on your definition of the term. shite, there was a Muslim attack on the same building a decade prior.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 6:38 pm to Lou Pai
I know full well what the term means. You argue that, in size and scope, 9/11 wasn't a black swan? You equate it with the '94 bombing that killed 6?
Posted on 1/31/17 at 6:41 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
I'm not afraid of the muslims.
I'm more suspicious of you liberals than muslims.or ISIS, or any other terrorist group.
You all like to frick up America more than any enemy does.
I'm more suspicious of you liberals than muslims.or ISIS, or any other terrorist group.
You all like to frick up America more than any enemy does.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 6:44 pm to joshnorris14
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Oppose: 41%
But the left will say they got more popular votes with that 41%.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 6:45 pm to Strophie
I'm not sure what you are getting at. Airborne hijackings and other attacks taken aboard a plane are rare events that can have an outsized impact on safety. Do you suggest we unwind some of our safety precautions at airports? The 9/11 attack was a symbolic culmination of an ongoing problem among fundamental Islam. Furthermore, to flippantly disregard the emotional impact of that is asinine and insensitive.
There are other issues with Muslim migration from that part of the world that go beyond something of that magnitude. They can't be expected to have a monopoly on smaller scale terrorist attacks in the West, but they have a large portion of it. Moreover I have friends in Europe that are witnessing a sharp escalation in violent crime and abuse firsthand. I'm sorry you are too close-minded to understand that, but I hope you open your eyes to the truth eventually mate. There's a big world out there.
There are other issues with Muslim migration from that part of the world that go beyond something of that magnitude. They can't be expected to have a monopoly on smaller scale terrorist attacks in the West, but they have a large portion of it. Moreover I have friends in Europe that are witnessing a sharp escalation in violent crime and abuse firsthand. I'm sorry you are too close-minded to understand that, but I hope you open your eyes to the truth eventually mate. There's a big world out there.
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 1/31/17 at 6:53 pm to Lou Pai
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Furthermore, to flippantly disregard the emotional impact of that is asinine and insensitive.
I'm not disregarding 9/11 at all. I've said, multiple times now, it was a horrific event. It's an event we should remember, and the victims of which we should honor.
But to breathlessly recall 9/11 as the pretext for this notion that 9/11 scale events are waiting to show up in abundance if we don't enact a bunch of draconian, protectionist, nationalist laws is reprehensible.
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Moreover I have friends in Europe that are witnessing a sharp escalation in violent crime and abuse firsthand.
I'm sorry to hear you have friends who are being impacted. That doesn't change the fact that the statistical likelihood of an American citizen being killed in a terrorist attack by a middle eastern immigrant is functionally zero. If we are going to enact legislation for things with comparable odds of being an actual, tangible danger to US citizens, we should look into ways of further culling domestic terrorism, which is hundreds of times more likely to be a true threat to the average American.
The proposals being offered are a massive overreach.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 6:56 pm to Strophie
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You know what. You're right. I guess it is rational to have a huge fear of all the scary Muslim immigrants coming into our country and planning their dastardly deeds. Particularly from those 7 countries. I mean, shite, the odds of me being killed by one of those bastards must be pretty darn high.
Hey dumbshit mother fricker!
Go take a fricking vacation in Malmo, Sweden.
Posted on 1/31/17 at 7:02 pm to Strophie
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But to breathlessly recall 9/11 as the pretext for this notion that 9/11 scale events are waiting to show up in abundance if we don't enact a bunch of draconian, protectionist, nationalist laws is reprehensible.
Who said that was the pretext? It's certainly relevant and emblematic of radical Islam. There have been multiple Muslim terror plots in the US that have been foiled that are publically known, and I'm sure the list doesn't end there.
What does protectionism have to do with this, and how is this a radical departure from similar measures conceived of and put into place by Obama?
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we should look into ways of further culling domestic terrorism, which is hundreds of times more likely to be a true threat to the average American.
Oh yeah, I'm sure the insinuation here is Tea Parties and NRA members.
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The proposals being offered are a massive overreach.
They don't go far enough in terms of geographic reach IMO. The DOJ and other federal government protagonists under Obama even said that we can't vet the refugees appropriately. Why the frick should we be letting these people in? What benefit does it serve us other than to supply you an endorphin rush for doing something counter to Western culture?
This post was edited on 1/31/17 at 7:04 pm
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