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re: Republicans Fail to See the Biggest Issue Costing them Undecided Voters
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:51 am to wackatimesthree
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:51 am to wackatimesthree
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And it's not just the females who will do it.
I never said it was. They are, however, probably the quickest to jump to it.
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Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:51 am to dnm3305
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quit being emotional selfish assholes and start using some common sense.
Never going to happen for that demographic, as a collective.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:52 am to Icansee4miles
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There are lot of highly educated women, Doctors, Nurses, lawyers,
I used to employ medical doctors. They were some of the dumbest people on the planet.
Academically smart, sure.
But it doesn't take much to get many of them to a place in which they will embrace some really, really stupid ideas.
Women's acceptance of this nonsense has nothing to do with them being doctors, lawyers, etc. It has to do with them being women.
And that dynamic has nothing to do with logic, which means that education or intelligence has no effect on it.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:54 am to Cajun67
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here is a scale put vaccine on one side and killing life (aka abortion) on the other. now do you see the gravity of one?
What are you getting at here?
Posted on 8/30/24 at 8:55 am to RFK
The march left for both parties continues unabated
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:03 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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I never said it was.
You set them apart from every other voting group as the scariest voting bloc in existence.
And I quote:
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The white female voter (both right and left) is the scariest voter demographic we have because they will both vote for overwhelmingly authoritarian and tyrannical power if it gets them the result they want for what they think is “right”.
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They are, however, probably the quickest to jump to it.
I don't even think that's true.
El Salvador's prison reforms are posted about here every two months or so and every time, the populists here turn out in droves to drool over it, it's 100% totalitarian, and the ardent supporters of it are all men.
So I know you're trying to walk what you originally said back a little here, but still trying to differentiate women. I'm disagreeing with that assessment.
The operative factor is the populism IMO, not the gender.
Populism is the ultimate victimhood philosophy. The reason women are overwhelmingly irrationally attached to the abortion narrative is because it plays so well into that victimhood, not because they are women (well, kind of because they are women...in so far as women are the victim group in this narrative).
In this application of populism The Elite are men/the patriarchy. The Little Guy are women.
Nothing matters to a populist except those two identifications. Once you know who is supposedly the Elite and the Little Guy, nothing else matters.
Now having said all of that, I do concede that women generally relate to ideas differently than men, relying on emotion rather than logic to arrive at a conclusion.
What I am saying is that populism turns men into women as far as that goes and flushes a man's natural tendancy to rely on logic down the toilet.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:04 am to FooManChoo
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a child should have to be killed
It’s not a child yet.
If performed in the first month and a half or so, it’s very primitive.
No consciousness. No pain sensation. No birth into a horrible set of circumstances.
The mother and physicians should have the freedom to make that hard choice in those uncommon and terrible scenarios.
This post was edited on 8/30/24 at 9:11 am
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:07 am to wackatimesthree
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You set them apart from every other voting group as the scariest voting bloc in existence.
Yes. And is it your assumption that is a mutually exclusive statement or are you leaping to conclusions? They are the scariest voting block. They are not the only scary voting block.
I know comprehension can be hard.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:09 am to Norbert
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No consciousness. No pain sensation.
So we can kill someone in a coma without their permission (or the permission of someone they legally agreed to make that decision for them) because they aren't conscious and can't feel pain?
That's the societal standard?
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:10 am to RFK
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I’ve learned from 3 women close to me
"Educated" white women are the largest hive mind in existence. Stop concerning yourself with their crap.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:11 am to Norbert
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If performed in the first month and a half or so, it’s very primitive.
Amendment 4 enshrines abortion as a right with no restrictions. It allows Abortions up until the point of birth, with tax payer assistance, and no parental control over minors on it. As a RIGHT in the Florida Constitution.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:11 am to Norbert
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No consciousness. No pain sensation. No birth into a horrible set of circumstances.
So you believe we can do this to people temporarily in comas too. Interesting.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:14 am to Cosmo
It’s left up to the individual states. If you don’t like your state’s laws on abortion as voted on by the citizens, move.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:14 am to RFK
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I personally fail to see how involving the government in a healthcare decision like abortion
2 issues I have with your post....
1. It's amazing how people so gently use the word abortion. Let's switch out that word and insert murder, bc that's what it is and tell me how that sounds.
2. Trump wants it to be a state decision and let the federal government be out of the decision making.
This is the funniest thing to me. People have forgotten that the United States means exactly that. Separate states that are united on a military front.
So your educated women seem pretty ignorant when it comes to what is actually on the ballot. Which is typical of "educated" people. If that's what makes someone want to vote for the Harris clown show, then it shows any amount of education will never equal intelligence.
And I'm sincerely not trying to be ugly, just things I took away from your post.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:15 am to wackatimesthree
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So we can kill someone in a coma without their permission
Predictable, silly response.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:17 am to RFK
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as a politician making a choice for them that they feel should be their’s to make, whatever that choice may be.
So their solution is voting for the party of bigger government, that wants to make as many decisions for you as they can get away with?
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
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So you believe we can do this to people temporarily in comas too. Interesting.
I wonder if I think really hard I can find some differences between a primitive fetus that has never possessed consciousness or felt pain, etc. and a fully formed human who has.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:18 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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I know comprehension can be hard.
Yes, you do know that. You cant even comprehend your own posts.
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And is it your assumption that is a mutually exclusive statement
No, that's the conclusion of simple logic. If A is not exactly equivalent to B, then there must be some differentiating factor that distinguishes them.
You can't claim that A is somehow not equivalent to B, then act like they can ALSO be exactly equivalent. Not and stay logical, anyway. And trying to put it on me as my "assumption" doesn't work either. It's not an "assumption" it's an examination of the logic.
Anyway, crowning a certain group the scariest voting bloc is absolutely a statement of non-equivalence...in doing so you're claiming that there is something about them that sets them apart from every other group.
First it was that they would resort to totalitarianism to get what they wanted.
When I disagreed with that by opining that other demographics would also do that, you then tried the differentiating factor of, "Well, maybe that differentiating factor isn't valid, but they'll do it faster than other groups."
My strong advice at this point is to remember the old adage, "Remain silent and be thought a fool. Speak, and remove all doubt."
Let's just let it lie. Or at least address the differences in the claims rather than trying (unsuccessfully) to justify the validity of the original claim by acting like I'm the one who is confused about the possibilities here.
I think the differentiating factor is populism, not gender. You don't have to agree with that opinion. Do you have some reason that you disagree? Let's talk about that.
If not, then I really don't think we have anything to discuss.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:19 am to TideSaint
The right won’t see that abortion is costing them. Then when they lose they say it’s rigged.
Posted on 8/30/24 at 9:22 am to Norbert
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Predictable, silly response.
There's a reason why it's predictable.
The societal standard we adhere to is that people are free to do as they choose so long as what they chose to do doesn't violate another human being's inherent rights, such as the right to live.
The poster offered the fact that these particular human beings do not feel pain or experience consciousness as an exception to that standard.
There's nothing "silly" about applying that logic to an analogous situation to see if it holds up.
It doesn't hold up, we all know it doesn't hold up, and that's why you don't like it. But that makes YOU "silly," not me.
EDIT: Actually, what it does is show how silly the original logic was.
This post was edited on 8/30/24 at 9:54 am
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