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re: “Republican” blocks transgender bill in La Lege

Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:44 am to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:44 am to
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Trans folks have statistically higher instances of severe mental health issues.
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because it is a mental illness. Period

Or a medical condition that gives rise to mental health issues. Yes, one of those.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63024 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:45 am to
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What (if anything) is the difference in the suicide rate for those who transition vs those who do not?



No.

The relevant question is what is the difference in those who receive psychological help at young ages vs. those who do not.

This is about children. People like you can do whatever you want once you are of majority age. Give these children a chance by giving them what they really need.

Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28026 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:46 am to
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I'm vehemently against transitional surgery for minors.


What if studies say gender surgery for minors is best practice and reduces suicidality?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115373 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:46 am to
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they do give children steroids/HGH in certain situations. are you against that?


yes, they do.

they don't do it to try to make their delusions and make believe personas more realistic (note, not more real).
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13499 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:46 am to
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They did put a number. It says less than 1%.


Do suicide and regret count differently? Pretty sure I’d make the logical conclusion that much of the suicide rate is due to regret. Oh, but since they didn’t get to take the survey and check the regret box since they are dead, we don’t need to count them.

Theee studies were awful from everything I’ve read and done with a clear bias and intent. Assuming government studies like this are legit or even meaningful is just naïve and honestly shows stupidity or corruption.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:47 am to
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Suppose studies show the best time to curb suicidality was having surgeries done while the patient was a minor?
this is a completely hypothetical question, obviously. Rather like the question of whether one would willingly travel back in time in murder Hitler as a child.

In any case, if it were conclusively established that reassignment surgery before the age of 18 completely ends of regret and suicide for the persons receiving that surgery, yes I would consider it a good idea. I certainly would not ban it.

of course, your premise is false, so this is a rather pointless discussion.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28026 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:47 am to
Hank

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Suppose studies show the best time to curb suicidality was having surgeries done while the patient was a minor?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299283 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:47 am to
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So you don't believe any of the kids that have gender issues are real.


Maybe 1 of 10,000 of our population.


The problem is retards like you and Hank who think a 12 year olds decision should be permanent.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 8:48 am
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28026 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:49 am to
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this is a completely hypothetical question, obviously. Rather like the question of whether one would willingly travel back in time in murder Hitler as a child.

In any case, if it were conclusively established that reassignment surgery before the age of 18 completely ends of regret and suicide for the persons receiving that surgery, yes I would consider it a good idea. I certainly would not ban it.

of course, your premise is false, so this is a rather pointless discussion.


Exactly. You're just playing a wolf in sheep's clothing.

"Guys, I don't support surgeries!"
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:49 am to
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Trans folks have statistically higher instances of severe mental health issues. No one contests this axiom. What (if anything) is the difference in the suicide rate for those who transition vs those who do not? It seems to me that THIS is the relevant question.
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More nonsense from the fake lawyer supporting the sexualization of children.

an analysis of actual data as to whether transition surgery actually does reduce the rate of suicide is “nonsense“ in your mind?

You are truly “special.”
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:50 am to
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What if studies say gender surgery for minors is best practice and reduces suicidality?

That is unfortunate but should not change the fact that irreversible surgery should be reserved until at least 18 years old.

Pushing back the legal driving age and banning alcohol would save lives too but that is no reason to do so.

Life is not as precious as people pretend.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299283 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:50 am to
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"Guys, I don't support surgeries!"
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:50 am to
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ban all treatment


No one is banning treatment because this isn't treatment.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:51 am to
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The problem is retards like you and Hank who think a 12 year olds decision should be permanent.

Where are these 12 year olds with medical licenses found in Louisiana?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28026 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:51 am to
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an analysis of actual data as to whether transition surgery actually does reduce the rate of suicide is “nonsense“ in your mind?

You are truly “special.”


Considering the money that stands to be made off these treatments?

Yeah, I'm going to trust the same community that not only brought us the Covid was a natural phenomenon, but also cheered as the naysayers were booted off social media so their lies couldn't be countered.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28026 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:52 am to
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Where are these 12 year olds with medical licenses found in Louisiana?



They're right next to your reading comprehension.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
13499 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:52 am to
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because this law doesn't just prevent surgeries, it prevents all treatment.


So you are all for screwing up a prepubescent child’s body chemistry cause they think they might not be the sex they were born?

You are honestly showing your agenda with your path this whole thread. You went from, it doesn’t happen to its a law on the books to ok it’s not actually a law to o would be fine if the law only stopped them from lopping off a kids lower parts.

The damage done by the blockers is not reversible in many cases either jugs like the mutilations.

This tells me that you are either not a parent, a horribly selfish/pathetic one or a trans activist. No decent human being supports this type of crap in a child that barely understands their body, much less ones that haven’t even hit puberty yet.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:53 am to
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It seems to me that THIS is the relevant question
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No it isn't

So, if hard data were to show that transition surgeries (adult) reduce suicide in statistically-significant numbers, you would still oppose it because it makes you feel all icky?

You people use the word “evil“ quite a bit. But that is true evil.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28026 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:53 am to
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That is unfortunate but should not change the fact that irreversible surgery should be reserved until at least 18 years old.



Respect.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63024 posts
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:54 am to
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So you don't believe any of the kids that have gender issues are real.


I believe the gender issues are sometimes real.

I don’t believe boys with gender issues are actually girls. I’m not a moron.
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