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re: Reminder:J.D. Vance Is Correct.“Ordo Caritas” Has Strong Antecedents In Catholic Doctrine.
Posted on 5/10/25 at 9:41 pm to theballguy
Posted on 5/10/25 at 9:41 pm to theballguy
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If not for Thomas Aquinas, there would be no Protestantism at the very least
That’s nothing to brag about.
Protestantism is basically every man their own pope, If you don’t like what your pastor says, just go create a new “church”, No bueno.
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 11:41 pm to 4cubbies
You think that you understand the Word of God better than Thomas Acquinas, 4cubbies?
Posted on 5/10/25 at 11:44 pm to Toomer Deplorable
I agree that Scripture does not support the Democrat/Progressive/Leftist position on mass immigration policies for the USA.
Thomas Acquinas would also agree with me on this.
Thomas Acquinas would also agree with me on this.
Posted on 5/10/25 at 11:46 pm to WildernessTraveler7
Please name a theological scholar whose written works are superior to Saint Thomas Acquinas.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 1:17 am to Champagne
St. Paul of Tarsus
St. John Chrysostom
St. Gregory the Theologian
St. Basil the Great
St. Ephraim the Syrian
St. John of Damascus
St. Theophan the Recluse…
I could go on and on.
And though I am not a scholar, I believe your hero’s name is spelled Aquinas not Acquinas.
St. John Chrysostom
St. Gregory the Theologian
St. Basil the Great
St. Ephraim the Syrian
St. John of Damascus
St. Theophan the Recluse…
I could go on and on.
And though I am not a scholar, I believe your hero’s name is spelled Aquinas not Acquinas.
This post was edited on 5/11/25 at 2:04 am
Posted on 5/11/25 at 1:32 am to LuckyTiger
Technically speaking, I think Prevost is correct.
Are there any red letters in the NT that ask/command us to love our family more/before foreigners?
Don't get me wrong, I 110% agree with that concept. Just saying I'm not sure that Jesus directly commanded it.
Are there any red letters in the NT that ask/command us to love our family more/before foreigners?
Don't get me wrong, I 110% agree with that concept. Just saying I'm not sure that Jesus directly commanded it.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 6:41 am to Champagne
There’s nothing to interpret about the words I quoted. It’s extremely straight forward.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 7:20 am to 4cubbies
quote:Right. The issue resides in the meaning of "we're."
In fact, we’re supposed to be especially charitable to those who hate us and those who can do nothing to elevate or assist us, like the poor and migrants.
Because it this context it takes on a national rather than individual meaning. The problem of course, is the same folks who find application of Christian teaching to the concept of open borders or general migration desirable, ironically find Christian teachings in public school to be detestable. Perhaps a change in the latter would invite more cooperative empathy in the former?
Meanwhile, as individuals we certainly are free to extend our own charity. The problem is, when tax dollars are involved, charitable provision is neither free, nor individually confined.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 7:23 am to 4cubbies
It's more or less a Matthew 22:21 correlate.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 7:25 am to 4cubbies
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You people will pervert anything to make it support MAGA. Leave Dominicans out of your secular values
Please explain in detail where they are going astray?
Posted on 5/11/25 at 7:27 am to Toomer Deplorable
Seems self evident to me.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:14 am to Azkiger
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Technically speaking, I think Prevost is correct.
Are there any red letters in the NT that ask/command us to love our family more/before foreigners?
Don't get me wrong, I 110% agree with that concept. Just saying I'm not sure that Jesus directly commanded it.
What Prevost offered was a giant straw man argument. Nothing Vance said is at odds with Christ’s directive to love our neighbor as ourselves and indeed is a logical validation of that injunction.
Indeed, St. Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 5:8 that those who deny their own household, deny the faith, and thus are worse than infidels.
In Galatians 6:10, St. Paul further instructs us that while Christian charity is to be exercised to all people, our fellow believers In Christ should receive the first priority.
Ordo Caritas is simply a practical exegesis on how best to apply Christian charity to our fellow man. Aquinas thus posited that Christian charity should begin in our own household and then extend outwards from that locus.
This post was edited on 5/11/25 at 10:56 am
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:15 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Seems self evident to me.
It is.
As mentioned by you and others, the concept of Ordo Caritas is simply a common sense discourse on how Christians can best fulfill their Christian duties and obligations since — as a practical matter — there is a limit on how many people that Christians can minister to, let alone love.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:31 am to Toomer Deplorable
Not to mention the damage that unqualified charity can be an enabling and negative action which damages the weak. Fat belly, thin spirit. Think LBJ/“Great Society “ consequences. Jesus said that “the poor will be with you ALWAYS “. That speaks to the underlying spiritual basis which is at the core of the whole Creative Paradigm. I’ve long supported systematic subsidies, but NOT without qualifiers. Responsible parents would not even raise their own children in that way. The Commies have muddied the morality water with their Envy-based, Egalitarian strategy, and the weak minded lap it up and go to hell crying foul. Lord come quickly.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:33 am to 4cubbies
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In fact, we’re supposed to be especially charitable to those who hate us and those who can do nothing to elevate or assist us, like the poor and migrants.
The problem is too many people have learned how to corrupt other peoples Christian charity. That’s truly evil.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:42 am to GumboPot
Most people would shudder with if they knew what lurks below the surface of our perceived reality. Evil is a real and predatory Entity; but the fools will scoff. Minus Jesus’ protection a lot of us would be consumed. Me at the fore.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:48 am to RCDfan1950
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Minus Jesus’ protection a lot of us would be consumed.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:50 am to Alltheway Tigers!
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Please explain in detail where they are going astray?
St. Thomas Aquinas did not advocate for the detention and deportation of people crossing over imaginary lines.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:51 am to 4cubbies
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St. Thomas Aquinas did not advocate for the detention and deportation of people crossing over imaginary lines.
Posted on 5/11/25 at 8:57 am to NC_Tigah
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Because it this context it takes on a national rather than individual meaning.
In which context?
quote:how would what is taught in public school influence anyone’s stance on immigration? The way Christians act is not or certainly should not be dictated by government. If it was, we would have never had Pope JPII.
Perhaps a change in the latter would invite more cooperative empathy in the former?
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The problem is, when tax dollars are involved, charitable provision is neither free, nor individually confined
If this were actually a real problem and not just first world tantrums, dissenters would move to a country without taxes, if such a place exists.
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