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re: Remember the ballot counting that went on for weeks after the election?
Posted on 5/24/25 at 9:43 pm to Rip Torn
Posted on 5/24/25 at 9:43 pm to Rip Torn
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Are you suggesting that the date for federal elections wasn’t set by Congress?
The date is set. The times within the dates are not.
When it comes to anything election related, if it’s not specifically laid out in the constitution or by Congress, it’s entirely up to the States.
Congress hasn’t told the states when they have to stop counting votes, have they?
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I know you think you really nailed me but your argument is comical
And yet I am right and you are unequivocally wrong.
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Posted on 5/24/25 at 9:45 pm to lsusteve1
What is truly amazing is so many people don't believe elections are stolen when the dims continuously ignore election laws and insist on having laws that go as far as to prevent the ability to even id the person voting.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 9:48 pm to Indefatigable
And yet you are incorrect again, no one was arguing that you couldn’t change the hours of voting on election day but election day is set. You weren’t arguing about time in terms of voting hours nor was the case in court. California was accepting ballots 2 weeks later which is changing the date of federal elections. California nor any state has the authority to do that.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 9:48 pm to Indefatigable
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Nope. Silent on the issue. Hence state control of that issue.
Except states don't control this issue. Not for federal elections, anyway. My home state has tried twice to require proof of citizenship to register to vote for federal elections in the state of AZ, and twice the law has been struck down by the supreme court.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 9:50 pm to David_DJS
State election laws get struck down all the time that impact federal elections
Posted on 5/24/25 at 9:54 pm to Rip Torn
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California was accepting ballots 2 weeks later which is changing the date of federal elections. California nor any state has the authority to do that.
You are not looking at how they exploit this. They claim the votes were done on or before election day but are allowing weeks for them to arrive. We all know its a scam but they are nit changing the date of election so to speak.
Congress can create laws to fix this. They have not and never will. They are all uniparty
Posted on 5/24/25 at 9:57 pm to OU Guy
I know what they are claiming and that’s the point even they know they can’t change the date of the election.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 9:59 pm to Rip Torn
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State election laws get struck down all the time that impact federal elections
They shouldn't if indefatigable is correct and federal law is silent on the proof of citizenship issue.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 10:08 pm to David_DJS
Shockingly he is incorrect. Could a state change from a paper ballot to electronic or mail in ballots? Absolutely, but he isn’t arguing that. California cannot arbitrarily accept ballots after election day any more than they could just decide to hold federal elections on a Saturday because it would be more convenient which is really what he is implying.
Posted on 5/24/25 at 10:15 pm to Indefatigable
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California state law allows it. What are you wanting US house members to do about it?
Posted on 5/24/25 at 10:58 pm to Rekrul
If StAteS wAnTeD tO cOuNt vOtES fOr tHrEE moNtHs TheY CouLd!
Posted on 5/25/25 at 7:36 am to Indefatigable
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Time and manner are literally the things reserved to the states you couldn’t be more objectively wrong if you tried
Here’s the relevant quote, since I’m almost positive you’ve never read the constitution:
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The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
Without Congress saying different, yes California can do what it’s doing
Stop being ignorant. With your interpretation the state of California could announce today, 5 minutes from now, they are holding an election for the president, in El Salvador, with current prisoners voting for president of the US.
After all they control the time place and manner.
By the way George Wallace is laughing about feds not taking control of an election. And yes any time voting is manipulated it does affect civil rights, not just black civil rights (as its been butchered) but civil rights of ALL citizens.
The way you are "interpreting".....you arent a TV evangelist are you
Posted on 5/25/25 at 7:48 am to FLTech
Have you ever noticed that every time one of these elections had extended counting days, it always goes against the person running for meaningful change? It's as if the uni party has to keep their power and are fighting change. There could and should be laws to stop this garbage but they won't because it would be to the uniparties detriment. They could stop all of these activists "judges' but they won't because it would be to the uniparties detriment.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:24 am to FLTech
More deck chairs needing arranging; no meaningful improvements on the horizon. Why get hopes up?
Posted on 5/25/25 at 8:28 am to Rekrul
quote:Yep, that is some convoluted horseshite from one of the primary sources of convoluted horseshite here.
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California state law allows it. What are you wanting US house members to do about it?
Posted on 5/25/25 at 9:51 am to Rip Torn
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I know what they are claiming and that’s the point even they know they can’t change the date of the election.
My point is Congress could fix this by creating laws saying all votes in person or mailed (or even online electronic voting if that happens) must arrive on or before stated election day. And require Voter ID.
This would be for the 3 federal offices (POTUS/US House/US Senate). Congress can’t dictate the state seats but again, most states would use same rules for all offices for efficiency reasons.
Thats all it would take. And now is the time to do it while we have all 3 branches.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 10:35 am to davyjones
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Yes they can
Well, unless it violates the U. S. Constitution, or hinders or contradicts some federal law on point.
That's just it, it may not***. A lot of SCOTUS decisions on voting have been based on some aspect of discrimination against gender and race but I don't know that any have been decided based on a state's subjective view of citizenship.
Article I, Section 4, Clause 1:
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The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
The part about "the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such Regulations" (meaning state laws impacting Congressional elections) means Congress can take action by passing a law stating that only those recognized as US citizens by (whatever criteria) may vote in Congressional elections, but the likelihood is that they won't.
***-at the western end of the Redneck Riviera with the family this weekend sans my laptop, so not able to do nearly as much research on this as I normally would.
This post was edited on 5/25/25 at 10:44 am
Posted on 5/25/25 at 11:18 am to FLTech
Stop voting GOPe, vote MAGA only.
Posted on 5/25/25 at 2:06 pm to Tandemjay
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Stop voting GOPe, vote MAGA only.
How do we distinguish one from the other?
Posted on 5/25/25 at 5:16 pm to David_DJS
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How do we distinguish one from the other?
It's easy, they practically self identify when they talk of delaying MAGA policy,
say they are not touching the judges, say they won't have DOGE fraud removed from the budget, fund Ukraine while the border was wide open, etc.
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