re: Religious Leaders Told to 'Prepare Now' for UFO Disclosure and 'Bible-Changing' Revelation

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Being an Atheist is more than Being without religion. It's declaring there is No-God. Which is the height of arrogance.

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I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but you, presumably, don’t believe in a lot of gods. He just believes in one god less than you do. What makes his belief the height of arrogance, and yours fine?

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And if you think I'm going to humor you by answering all of your questions, think again.

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No, of course I don't think you're going to. When you have no answers, you always retreat to this. I'm not the only poster who has recognized it and called it out. It's your standard operating procedure.

There was nothing offered in bad faith in that post and you know it. You just can't refute it, so...

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What I'm telling you is that I have been calling this for years.

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And I'm asking you so what? How does that matter to the discussion?

I mean, we both know the answer. You want to look smart (when you're not, a la the conspiracy theorist studies that were posted), so you don't want to move off the, "I've been predicting this for years and I was right," but it's obvious to everyone reading that that is a non-sequitur in the context of this conversation. No one is claiming that it's a surprise.

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I'm not going to explain to you how I knew it would happen.

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Of course not. When the answer is that you really didn't know, you just hoped, explaining that would expose you for what you are instead of the resident alien expert and internet visionary that you hope everyone sees you as.

Not that I have asked you to anyway. That's not the question.

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You aren't worth the waste of frickin time it would inevitably be.

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Which is, again, what you always say when you have no answers. Not just to me, but any time, to anyone.

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I have no interest in changing your mind because I think you're an a-hole.

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Again, makes no sense. The person's mind you'd be MOST motivated to change would be someone you don't like, because in the process you'd get to show how you were right the whole time and they were wrong.

And speaking of assholes, that's the nectar of the gods for you. It's what you live for.

You faux alien expert a-hole.

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I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but you, presumably, don’t believe in a lot of gods. He just believes in one god less than you do.

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2 + 2 = 4.

There are literally an infinite number of wrong answers to that equation, and one correct one.

"Why is there something rather than nothing?" is a question just like "What is 2 + 2?"

It may not have an infinite number of wrong answers, but it definitely has more than one.

His answer is, "Ha! Look at how many wrong answers there are for 2 + 2 = ? That means that there is no correct answer and anybody who believes there is is wishcasting with fairy tales."

You can probably conclude the rest of the reasoning on your own.

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I want to go on the record by saying that Bigfoot is real, and I’ve known this for a long time. However, I will not waste my time explaining how I know. I don’t feel any need to try to convince you.

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Listen to Owlman's latest on Facts by How to Hunt, Real Talk. (Youtube) Steve interviews the Owlman in two parts.

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2 + 2 = 4.

There are literally an infinite number of wrong answers to that equation, and one correct one.

"Why is there something rather than nothing?" is a question just like "What is 2 + 2?"

It may not have an infinite number of wrong answers, but it definitely has more than one.

His answer is, "Ha! Look at how many wrong answers there are for 2 + 2 = ? That means that there is no correct answer and anybody who believes there is is wishcasting with fairy tales."

You can probably conclude the rest of the reasoning on your own.

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I love how you’re so smug in this response. Would you care to examine your statement and see if you can distinguish between a mathematical concept and belief in supernatural beings?

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I love how you’re so smug in this response.

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I love how you're so smug pretty much 100% of the time.

Now how does our respective love for each other's smugness matter to the question?

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Would you care to examine your statement and see if you can distinguish between a mathematical concept and belief in supernatural beings?

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Who said I believed in supernatural beings?

Why don't you tell me the difference? Be as smug as you like. This should be good.

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see if you can distinguish between a mathematical concept and belief in supernatural beings?

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Nothing?

You were so (smugly) sure of yourself when you thought you'd be able to simply appeal to ridicule.

Nothing, now that you realize you can't?

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I love how you're so smug pretty much 100% of the time.

Now how does our respective love for each other's smugness matter to the question?

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Ok. It was an observation. I don’t know that it necessarily “matters” to any question, although I don’t know to which question you’re referring.

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Who said I believed in supernatural beings?

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No one of which I’m aware. I certainly didn’t.

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Why don't you tell me the difference? Be as smug as you like. This should be good.

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Ok, how about this:

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You can probably conclude the rest of the reasoning on your own.

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I do take issue with some things you stated as factual which are clearly just a personal view, especially ones in fields that I have some knowledge about. Then I see you claiming to be open minded and dealing only with “facts” while asserting unprovable and untestable things while calling out people of faith for that very thing and claiming an intellectual high ground or taking offense at disagreement with your position. Every point I have made is about your framing of your arguments or the assignation of nonsensical or straw man positions to those who disagree.

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I take issue with you failing to properly understand questions, failing to respond properly, making straw man arguments, committing psychological projection of your faults onto others, and failing to do your own research.

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Now to the video: one nut job with a video from 7 years ago is not going to prove your assertion that “a lot” of biblical fundamentalists hold this view.

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I watched an entire Flat Earth Convention for my research – here’s what I learnt
Inside Flat Earth International Conference, where everyone believes Earth isn't round

So this isn’t one nut case. There are “a lot” of them. They host international conferences.

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Those were your words, and I took exception to them as a claim you couldn’t support, but one which you stated as incontrovertible.

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As explained, if you’d simply put forth the slightest bit of effort, you would understand it is incontrovertible that there are a lot of biblical fundamentalists who believe the earth is flat with a firmament covering it holding back a heavenly ocean. It’s not based on science, but based on what the ancient Israelites wrote down and preserved in what is now known as the Bible.

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You are framing an absurd notion as a mainstream view

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This is your straw man.

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We can laugh at that video together.

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I don’t know why you would laugh. If you believe the Bible is the inerrant word of a supreme deity who throws people in hell for eternity for thought crimes, it seems logical you’d want to believe the “correct” thing - the message he’s trying to share. If you’d simply put reject biblical cosmology - that’s on you rejecting the word of God as ridiculous nonsense.

Even though the prevailing Greek scientific wisdom of the time taught a spherical earth, the apostle Paul “knew” the flat earth biblical cosmology was “correct”, and even wrote that he had been to the firmament… but not just the first firmament but all the way to the third firmament.

1 Cor 12:

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2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. 3And I know that this man was caught up into paradise—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows

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If you are going to insist that any cosmological language must be literal, then you are back to a linguistic argument

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[https://thedivinecouncil.com/seelypt1.pdf=(Link" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Paul H. Seely, "The Firmament and the Water Above" (Part I), published in Westminster Theological Journal (1991–1992)
Paul H. Seely, "The Firmament and the Water Above" (Part II), published in Westminster Theological Journal (1991–1992)
It is incontrovertible fact that the Israelites (and their Canaanite ancestors, and the Egyptians and Babylonians and surrounding cultures) believed in the flat earth model with a solid dome above the sky. Sorry not sorry.

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Hold yourself to the same standard.

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Take your own advice.