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Posted on 5/13/26 at 6:48 pm to ronricks
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This makes no sense whatsoever. None.
Why not? What does?
Posted on 5/13/26 at 7:23 pm to ronricks
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Aliens from other planets takes a sledgehammer to every single organized religion there is. This isn’t some ‘gotcha’ on Christianity.
This isn't true.
It's Christians, more than any other religion in the world, that needs to come to terms with this stuff.
Christianity and Islam are the only two religions out there that preach exclusivity. Or, that claim that their way is the only way.
And Islam preaches a plurality of worlds, where Christianity does not. This is why this is being framed in the context that it will change the Bible. And also why the Christians in here feel they're being persecuted or something.
No, you're not being persecuted. You're just being brought up to par with literally the rest of the fricking world.
Posted on 5/13/26 at 7:48 pm to AlterEd
Nope, we as Christians do not need in any shape,form, or fashion to come to any terms with any aspect of this stuff.
Posted on 5/13/26 at 7:51 pm to jeffsdad
You do whether you recognize it or not. You aren't going to have a choice in the matter actually. Nor will anyone else.
Posted on 5/13/26 at 8:20 pm to AlterEd
Always have a choice
Posted on 5/13/26 at 9:13 pm to ronricks
Why would fallen Angels not make any sense?
Posted on 5/13/26 at 10:01 pm to RCDfan1950
quote:is that you, Arius?
It takes TWO to experience Love; therein the Spiritual impetus for the creation of The/A Son.
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Posted on 5/13/26 at 10:19 pm to Prodigal Son
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That is a statement of faith. One that not only lacks evidence, but all evidence points to the contrary. It doesn’t mean it’s wrong, though. Sound familiar? Just messing with you.
I’ll be honest with you- I would rather not believe. If there are alien life forms, there would certainly be a risk of them viewing us as an infestation of an otherwise good world of resources. Ever seen Independence Day?
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Why not? Seriously. I’m curious.
Think about how around 74,000 years ago the Toba super volcano erupted in Indonesia causing a genetic bottleneck - it was so bad that there were only a few thousand humans left alive. What if that were to happen today? Only the most primitive tribes in the Amazon and Africa might survive because they are the only ones that know how to survive without technology. Modern humans have had our level of intelligence for a couple hundred thousand years. Only in the last hundred did we figure out how to harness electromagnetic energy to communicate. Maybe in the next couple thousand years a comet wipes out 99% of humanity. In order to communicate across the galaxy and across galaxies, intelligent life would have to send out a communication and by the time it would be received, the sender’s civilization and maybe even their planet and solar system are long gone.
The distances are too vast. The only possible way to communicate or to have intergalactic travel would be to figure out how to survive in space indefinitely and figure out how to fold space time which based on our current understanding of science is about impossible.
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How do you know they’re not angels or demons? Are you open to that possibility?
Angels and demons are fictive classes of divine beings created in the imagination of ancient peoples. Could they be some type of life that we might consider supernatural? Maybe. But they aren’t and can’t be the angels and demons of the Bible because those are fictitious on par with elves and leprechauns and ghosts.
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You already have. “Anything or anyone but Jesus.”
No not just Jesus. Not Odysseus neither, or Tom Saywer or Iron Man.
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You most certainly do- one singular dogma, that rules you to your core. It is not just dogma- it’s your identity. You need Christianity to be false.
I don’t need anything. I have no dogma. Wherever the evidence supports, whether I like it or not, or whether it is convenient or inconvenient, I will acknowledge facts and the reality.
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Me too. But what if they’re angels/demons?
Hopefully I meet the angels and not the daimons. Hah. Well just kidding. The daimons are better than meeting the angel in 1 Chronicles 21:15-17. Daimons were simply lesser gods that weren’t even evil in Greek mythology. Some were good and some were mischievous but they were subordinate to the higher ranked deities.
Posted on 5/13/26 at 10:23 pm to FooManChoo
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If God is the ultimate source and highest authority for knowledge, then there would be nothing greater to appeal to, and therefore appealing to Him would be necessarily circular. Not all circular reasoning is fallacious, but only viciously circular reasoning. When you appeal to ultimates, you can't help but be circular. Try this: defend the existence of the laws of logic without using the laws of logic.
The laws of logic are preconditions for argument. You can’t meaningfully debate anything without already relying on logic.
But a religious text is a specific historical claim that could be mistaken, interpreted differently, or challenged by competing revelations.
Using logic to reason about logic is different from saying “this specific book is divinely true because the book says it’s divinely true.”
It’s a logical fallacy to use a claim as its own evidence.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 6:56 am to goatmilker
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I think the angels/demons angle is to sway any possible future contact as a threat.
On the flip side, I think its become a meme of the more religious to avoid the discussions being had in this thread. By moving aliens from biological to ethereal, you eliminate potential issues with the Bible leaving out important information that raises all sorts of other questions.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 7:08 am to AlterEd
Been there, done that.
A country boy will survive...
A country boy will survive...
Posted on 5/14/26 at 7:27 am to SlowFlowPro
Certainly a part. Those who hold their religious beliefs the hardest will of course be the hardest to accept the we are not alone even on this planet paradigm.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 8:32 am to ronricks
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Would it matter? 75% of posters in this thread would reject it and call them ‘Demons’ or something else to fit their narrative so they can be explained by the Bible.
Well so far, the bible story holds.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 9:08 am to aTmTexas Dillo
L oh L
Can't wait for more nothing burgers from this administration.
All this arguing as if the original post had anything remotely enlightening or verifiable to share. This is thread is like an Alex Jones show.
Can't wait for more nothing burgers from this administration.
All this arguing as if the original post had anything remotely enlightening or verifiable to share. This is thread is like an Alex Jones show.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 4:02 pm to AlterEd
Cattle mutilations haven’t been brought up with this yet, I don’t believe, but they should be. Unexplainable and nobody has ever been arrested for the thousands of cases.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 6:58 pm to Squirrelmeister
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I’ll be honest with you- I would rather not believe. If there are alien life forms, there would certainly be a risk of them viewing us as an infestation of an otherwise good world of resources. Ever seen Independence Day?
I concur. We live in a fallen world. Our trajectory, aliens or not, God or not, is apparent to anyone who is paying attention. But, to me, the Christian worldview makes sense of what I see. That doesn’t make it true- but it does make it useful, beneficial (for me). quote:
The distances are too vast.
You couldn’t just say that???
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Angels and demons are fictive classes of divine beings created in the imagination of ancient peoples. Could they be some type of life that we might consider supernatural? Maybe. But they aren’t and can’t be the angels and demons of the Bible because those are fictitious on par with elves and leprechauns and ghosts.
There it is. Presupposed bias, dressed up with mockery.
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No not just Jesus. Not Odysseus neither, or Tom Saywer or Iron Man.
Jesus is not a fictional character in a made up story.
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I don’t need anything. I have no dogma.
Oh boy. If you had a booger hanging out of your nose, I’d tell you. You absolutely do need at least one thing- Christianity (as you understand it) to be false. To claim otherwise is being either deceptive or ignorant. You are compelled to weave some kind of evolutionary explanation (the same way I come up with a theistic explanation) for everything. It is the foundation of your identity. You have decided that the evidence for your worldview is irrefutable, and therefore every explanation must be subject to its governance. It is the box that everything must fit in. It’s the reason why you must discredit Christianity. And you’re pretty dogmatic about it.
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Wherever the evidence supports, whether I like it or not, or whether it is convenient or inconvenient, I will acknowledge facts and the reality.
All evidence points to the fact that the universe began to exist. Everything that begins to exist must have an external, independent cause. The Christian God is the best explanation. Why haven’t you converted?
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Hopefully I meet the angels
I think you’re closer than you think. I’m pulling for you!
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Daimons were simply lesser gods that weren’t even evil in Greek mythology. Some were good and some were mischievous but they were subordinate to the higher ranked deities.
There’s no doubt that the culture of the time colors the understanding of those in it. Then and now.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 7:05 pm to boot
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Cattle mutilations haven’t been brought up with this yet, I don’t believe, but they should be. Unexplainable and nobody has ever been arrested for the thousands of cases.
My neighbor had it happen to a couple cattle when we were kids in rural northwest Arkansas. Crazy shite. They had a boy my age and we were buddies. I went over to his place after the sheriff had left. They tried to blame vagabond "gypsies" from up the road and left it at that. Funny, because I never knew of any "gypsies" camped out nearby. Never heard about them before or after.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 7:14 pm to goatmilker
I think the Angel/Demon thing is how early humans would explain the things they can do. Slipping in and out of this reality seemingly at will. Telepathic ability to make you see anything they want you to and believe it. Telepathic manipulation to steer you positive or negative.
I don't believe they're actually what we think of as Angels and Demons.
I don't believe they're actually what we think of as Angels and Demons.
Posted on 5/14/26 at 7:14 pm to Squirrelmeister
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Think about how around 74,000 years ago the Toba super volcano erupted in Indonesia causing a genetic bottleneck - it was so bad that there were only a few thousand humans left alive. What if that were to happen today? Only the most primitive tribes in the Amazon and Africa might survive because they are the only ones that know how to survive without technology. Modern humans have had our level of intelligence for a couple hundred thousand years. Only in the last hundred did we figure out how to harness electromagnetic energy to communicate. Maybe in the next couple thousand years a comet wipes out 99% of humanity. In order to communicate across the galaxy and across galaxies, intelligent life would have to send out a communication and by the time it would be received, the sender’s civilization and maybe even their planet and solar system are long gone.
The distances are too vast. The only possible way to communicate or to have intergalactic travel would be to figure out how to survive in space indefinitely and figure out how to fold space time which based on our current understanding of science is about impossible.
Think about our civilization today. In one part of the world we have achieved space flight. In other parts of the world, in places such as Papua New Guinea, they worship aircraft as gods and still chuck spears and shite.
As you say, if something happened today that wiped us out, it would be those "primitive" societies that would be more likely to survive.
I think the same thing was true in the past. I think there was an advanced civilization that was mostly wiped out. The societies that survived the event were more "primitive" and when the survivors of the more advanced societies returned, the primitive people worshiped them as gods.
I feel like this ultraterrestrial hypothesis fits the evidence best making the fewest assumptions. We aren't dealing with people from distant planets. We are dealing with an ancient, advanced civilization from right here. I also feel like they've moved underground. I feel like they likely access their underground dwelling areas under the sea. Just saw Burchett post on X about how over 9,000 UFOs have been reported in the coastal waters of the US. 9 fricking thousand. The earliest report of UFOs in the coastal waters of the US that I can think of came from none other than Christopher Columbus.
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