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re: ‘Read this email immediately’: CDC calls 180 employees back to work 2 weeks after firing
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:10 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:10 am to 4cubbies
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Calling out mistakes is now an emotional claim? Man, you misogynists really aren't concerned with making sense, are you?
I guess you're not just writing a paper.
Because this is almost always what this comes to with you. Intentionally mischaracterizing others' arguments and in an impressive burst of irony, denying the accusations of making emotional claims by accusing someone of being a misogynist without any substantiation, which is, of course, nothing but an emotional claim.
I'll go ahead and ask the question to highlight how you just intentionally mischaracterized his argument b/c I'm curious about what you'll say.
What he objected to is the quantifier you used. "Many."
You responded that you were only "calling out mistakes."
O.k., you've called out one mistake. Now keep going. For "many" to be accurate (which, again, is clearly what he was objecting to) I'd say we need a list.
So let's see your list.
This post was edited on 3/6/25 at 9:12 am
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Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:11 am to 4cubbies
180 employees out 11,800 that';s a rounding error are you some kind of a retard, because i know you don't pay income tax.
was that the kind of response you were looking for when you hit enter
was that the kind of response you were looking for when you hit enter
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:13 am to dickkellog
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was that the kind of response you were looking for when you hit enter
Remember, she is just here for the comments.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:17 am to wackatimesthree
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I'm sorry—I don't want to call you a liar—but it absolutely does no such thing.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't read the memo.
It goes on to require recipients of this memo to defend why they intend to maintain employment of anyone on probation.
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And it also specifies that it is specifically only talking about probationary employees. Do you know what that means?
Yes. It means that they are firing the people they are legally able to fire with ease.
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Look, come clean. You're doing some kind of graduate experiment or writing some kind of academic paper with this stuff, right?
You have quite the imagination. There is nothing academic about this administration.
In fact, I was curious about all the hullabaloo about the mice, so I googled it. Please read this official White House webpage. How embarrassing.
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Kick the online "white Christian nationalist" anthill and write about what the hillbillies post?
??
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If not, come on. Grow up.
Click on the White House website I linked, then tell me who needs to grow up. I seriously believed I clicked on an Onion article.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:22 am to wackatimesthree
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Because this is almost always what this comes to with you. Intentionally mischaracterizing others' arguments
Can you please outline how I mischaracterized someone calling OP "emotional" as being misogynistic? What is emotional about the OP? Looking forward to your analysis.
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by accusing someone of being a misogynist without any substantiation
Dude, read the post you replied to. I outlined why the OP isn't emotional. The only reason the poster said it's emotional is because a woman posted it. He never gave any actual evidence as to why it could be considered "emotional."
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O.k., you've called out one mistake
I called out 180 mistakes.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:23 am to 4cubbies
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Calling out mistakes is now an emotional claim?
No, claiming it's an unreasonable number of mistakes is an emotional claim.
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A woman posted it so it must be emotional quantitative data.
It's emotional data because you provided no context for your claim. If you want to claim that 180 oopsies is "many" you've got to look at how many firings have not been oopsies. Even a woman should be able to understand that.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:23 am to dickkellog
180 employees out
Loss of a job is documented as one of the most stressful things that can happen.. it is ranked with death of family member … divorce.. etc
Many of these employees felt they signed onto careers not just jobs and that path included f… career stability. Benefits. … Work/life balance ….
To dismiss the impact of these mistakes of others and take pride in it by running around with a chainsaw on stage speaks of the individual.
My career was in oil industry so yes I have experience with being laid off.. and being the person doing the laying off .. as mentioned before this is a cluster.. labor lawyers going to make bank.
Loss of a job is documented as one of the most stressful things that can happen.. it is ranked with death of family member … divorce.. etc
Many of these employees felt they signed onto careers not just jobs and that path included f… career stability. Benefits. … Work/life balance ….
To dismiss the impact of these mistakes of others and take pride in it by running around with a chainsaw on stage speaks of the individual.
My career was in oil industry so yes I have experience with being laid off.. and being the person doing the laying off .. as mentioned before this is a cluster.. labor lawyers going to make bank.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:28 am to 4cubbies
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It’s probably a big deal to the 180 non-billionaires who were fired without cause.
Layoffs happen every day in the private sector. Are you insinuating that these actions were something other than layoffs and that the US government is somehow prohibited from also making cuts when necessary?
Your assertion here is wrapped in emotions and comes across like the argument of an unstable female, bereft of logic.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:31 am to Flats
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No, claiming it's an unreasonable number of mistakes is an emotional claim.
Making at least 180 mistakes within weeks is reasonable for a government agency tasked with eliminating government inefficiency. OK...
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It's emotional data because you provided no context for your claim
I linked the article that made this claim. I didn't invent this headline. I copy and pasted it. What other context were you hoping for?
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If you want to claim that 180 oopsies is "many" you've got to look at how many firings have not been oopsies. Even a woman should be able to understand that.
That's a very subjective metric. You would obviously claim none of the firings were mistakes because you happen to like the person who demanded the terminations.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:32 am to TigerAxeOK
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Your assertion here is wrapped in emotions and comes across like the argument of an unstable female, bereft of logic.
Here we go again.
This post was edited on 3/6/25 at 9:34 am
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:35 am to Thecoz
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To dismiss the impact of these mistakes of others and take pride in it by running around with a chainsaw on stage speaks of the individual.
That was a bad look politically, but that's a separate issue from the firings themselves. We need disruptive changes, and those are going to have some hiccups by nature.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:37 am to Flats
Once again, we're dealing with people who don't care about billions in waste or the fact that we could probably cut 10,000 federal jobs tomorrow without 99.99% of the citizenry noticing anything changed.
But this, which is being corrected, deserves our outrage.
We're just on different planets from these people, we don't share the same worldview.
But this, which is being corrected, deserves our outrage.
We're just on different planets from these people, we don't share the same worldview.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:38 am to Flats
Yes, Elon Musk 101.....If you don't have to add a part back or people in this case, you likely didn't cut deep enough.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:41 am to onepiecemayne
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I've never seen anyone get laid off on Friday and re-hired on Monday.
I was laid off in the dotcom era, and had a call from my boss the same day offering me a contract job until they could sort it out. Our org chart didn't match where we were actually working within the business. They were asked to cut x%, and the person my line connected didn't bother to figure out who I actually was working for at the time.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:45 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:46 am to Pettifogger
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we're dealing with people who don't care about billions in waste
This is an emotional claim. How exactly did you draw this conclusion?
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:47 am to Thecoz
here's the thing about lawyers who specialize in employment law, they don't work on contingency you actually have to pay them and they will require a retainer an average retainer is 10k you can check that with your buddy slow flo pro, he pretends to be a lawyer on the internet are you really going to spend money on a lawyer to keep your 80k a year "career" job?
i can tell you jethro, 80k a year aint much of a career.
i can tell you jethro, 80k a year aint much of a career.
This post was edited on 3/6/25 at 9:52 am
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:48 am to Flats
That was a bad look politically
I see it differently.. it shows his inner values .. which will be reflected in the manner in which he accomplished the task, manages and directs the people in his organization.
No problem with doge concept.. excited about efficiency.. but I expecting bad contracts to be renegotiated.. wasteful project to be dismissed. Staff first managed … was really expecting AI to be a part.. we are using AI to make our operation more efficient in the oil patch..
As op said.. hiring freeze.. encourage retirement.. salary management.. job transfers.. operation cost reduction.. then staff reductions.. done in a thoughtful .. planned .. methodical manner.. which this is not.
I see it differently.. it shows his inner values .. which will be reflected in the manner in which he accomplished the task, manages and directs the people in his organization.
No problem with doge concept.. excited about efficiency.. but I expecting bad contracts to be renegotiated.. wasteful project to be dismissed. Staff first managed … was really expecting AI to be a part.. we are using AI to make our operation more efficient in the oil patch..
As op said.. hiring freeze.. encourage retirement.. salary management.. job transfers.. operation cost reduction.. then staff reductions.. done in a thoughtful .. planned .. methodical manner.. which this is not.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:50 am to Cromulent
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bicycle troll
Posted on 3/6/25 at 9:50 am to 4cubbies
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That's a very subjective metric.
180/X is not a subjective metric, it's math.
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