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re: ‘Read this email immediately’: CDC calls 180 employees back to work 2 weeks after firing

Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:38 pm to
Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
3965 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:38 pm to
I have been through and part of corporate layoffs focused only on financial management due to price of our product significantly decreasing..

I have been through numerous major corporate restructuring to improve efficiencies within the company impacting manpower, output.. and finances..


They are two entirely different things and there are entire industry and professional disciplines built around implementing them

DOGE was stated as efficiency… not mass layoffs without even understanding the process..

I fully support the DOGE concept but this is a cluster..
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
14790 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:39 pm to
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Well, not a well-run company...


What a moronic thing to post.

Yes, Musk fired 80% of Twitter's workforce almost immediately, and revenue dropped.

And then it rose again. Last time I checked (about a week ago), revenue was back up to almost the all time high of $1.4billion, but with a drastically reduced workforce.

You people on this thread who think you know the first thing about whether a company is being run correctly or not, but who obviously have never done anything in your life but punch a clock (and complain about how the company you worked for was being run) make me laugh.

The last time I saw y'all come out of the woodwork was during the COVID lockdowns. All these people on social media blaming businesses (mostly locally owned small businesses at that) for going out of business and/or laying employees off during the lockdowns because "If they were run correctly they would have more than 1-2 months of reserve cash to float them."

Without ever stopping to do any simple napkin math to see if their assertion was valid (hint, it wasn't).

The average profit margin for small businesses is 7-10%. Let's call it 10% for the ease of the math. The average small business owner takes home a little over $70,000 a year (close enough to that to round down for convenience sake).

That means that the yearly revenue is $700,000, or just over $58,000 a month, and expenses comprise just over $52,000 of that.

$5,800 left over.

Which means if the owner didn't take a dime for him/herself, it would take 10 months to put away one month's worth of expenses.

5 years to accumulate 6 month's worth. And again, that's 5 years of the owner taking home nothing, just paying bills and socking away what would have been his take home to prepare for an international pandemic.

Actually, it would take longer than that, because taxes would eat up a percentage of that monty, but for simplicity's sake...

This is the kind of very simple stuff that you armchair business owners have no clue about, but freely opine about.
Posted by heymama
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2022
428 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:39 pm to
quote:

You people REFUSE to stop using your private sector experiences and pretending like government jobs should be treated equal.


ok, so you are suggesting that it is out of bounds for me to use my experience in the private sector to suggest that it is possible to conduct a reduction in force with professionalism and dignity for the humans involved.

Yet you are fine with Elon use his experience and approach from the private sector to tear through the govt with his AI chainsaw and geek squad halphazardly cutting off employees, funds, programs and research involving “transgenic mice.”

Sure, that makes a fuc$ton of sense.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38553 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:42 pm to
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What a moronic thing to post.

Yes, Musk fired 80% of Twitter's workforce almost immediately, and revenue dropped.

And then it rose again. Last time I checked (about a week ago), revenue was back up to almost the all time high of $1.4billion, but with a drastically reduced workforce.

You people on this thread who think you know the first thing about whether a company is being run correctly or not, but who obviously have never done anything in your life but punch a clock (and complain about how the company you worked for was being run) make me laugh.

The last time I saw y'all come out of the woodwork was during the COVID lockdowns. All these people on social media blaming businesses (mostly locally owned small businesses at that) for going out of business and/or laying employees off during the lockdowns because "If they were run correctly they would have more than 1-2 months of reserve cash to float them."

Without ever stopping to do any simple napkin math to see if their assertion was valid (hint, it wasn't).

The average profit margin for small businesses is 7-10%. Let's call it 10% for the ease of the math. The average small business owner takes home a little over $70,000 a year (close enough to that to round down for convenience sake).

That means that the yearly revenue is $700,000, or just over $58,000 a month, and expenses comprise just over $52,000 of that.

$5,800 left over.

Which means if the owner didn't take a dime for him/herself, it would take 10 months to put away one month's worth of expenses.

5 years to accumulate 6 month's worth. And again, that's 5 years of the owner taking home nothing, just paying bills and socking away what would have been his take home to prepare for an international pandemic.

Actually, it would take longer than that, because taxes would eat up a percentage of that monty, but for simplicity's sake...

This is the kind of very simple stuff that you armchair business owners have no clue about, but freely opine about.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Member since Jan 2010
40237 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:43 pm to
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Describe a well thought out / “competent” layoff of government workers. Thanks


Start by freezing hiring. Then you begin cutting budgets by departments starting with biggest to smallest.

You pass down cut targets to each department head and ask for recommendations to cut that much, something like 10-15% budget decrease for head count. If you can't get recommendations you then have to evaluate the programs and work you expect that department to do, cut programs and jobs not in alignment to that vision of operation.



Things I don't do:
Fire without understanding need and expected continued responsibilities.

Fire based solely on seniority

Make up wasteful programs(there are plenty without the fake news)

Fire and immediately rehire.

Appear on stage celebrating people losing jobs

Do things based on data alone without understanding the details.


This ensures impact is minimized, savings are known and understood, and cuts are to the least productive employees.

Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
26770 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:44 pm to
This happens all the time. Just think of all the people fired for not taking the jab and then ordered by judges to retire with back pay
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
14790 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:44 pm to
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When handled by professionals, it is handled with much more dignity and respect. You typically don’t have the boss running through the office with a chainsaw and posting threatening tweets on social media.


I'll agree that Musk fits the culture of MAGA, which is to say that the way he does things is always devoid of decorum and generally is antagonistic to it.

Guilty as charged.

But let's not make categorical errors. Someone who has become so successful by doing what he's doing right now that he's become literally the richest human on the planet is a professional.

You just don't like his style.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
129672 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:44 pm to
I knew you were.
Posted by oklahogjr
Gold Membership
Member since Jan 2010
40237 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:45 pm to
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Last time I checked (about a week ago), revenue was back up to almost the all time high of $1.4billion

How did you check twitter revenue a week ago?
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
14790 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:45 pm to
Well, no, math is math. Numbers are not opinion.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
129672 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:45 pm to
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Fire based solely on seniority


Here’s someone who’s unfamiliar with the labor protections afforded to Federal employees.
Posted by Jeff Boomhauer
Arlen, TX
Member since Jun 2016
3603 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:46 pm to
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Why would anyone go back, though? There'd better be incentives and guarantees or you can consider my previously (incorrectly) assumed useless arse gone. No one should be accidentally or prematurely fired. That's clown shite.


If these were the type of worker that you describe, they wouldn’t have been working for the federal government to begin with
This post was edited on 3/5/25 at 10:49 pm
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49789 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:47 pm to
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This has nothing to do with democrats at all.

The democrat coalition is the only one making all the illiterate noise and generating lies about how it is going to destroy lives, and wreck havoc on the culture.

It really has to do with the Trump Derangement Syndrome which stipulates that whatever DJT suggests or supports must be opposed by the most demonstrative method possible = without regard for the logic or result of such opposition.

It is a mental and/or moral sickness that impels the democrat party to completely disregard logic, truth, and honesty. They have become a fatal cult.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
14790 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:47 pm to
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How did you check twitter revenue a week ago?


Google isn't as pedantic as you, so if you Google Twitter's revenue for this year it will give it to you, even though the name of the (same) company changed.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38553 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:48 pm to
quote:

Well, no, math is math. Numbers are not opinion.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87720 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:48 pm to
Here’s the reality. I’d love for everything to be clean and dignified. Genuinely.

I think cheering random employees leaving with boxes is lame.

At the same time, the federal government has been a mostly untouchable albatross that gets worse and more entrenched every day. It’s probably beyond significant reform already. And we know from decades of experience that handwringing about decorum and propriety will simply kick the can and will mean a dozen more layers of impenetrable bureaucracy are laid down.

So I’ll take the chain saw approach, such as it is.

And you have to understand, none of us care about the emotional manipulations coming from you guys.

“No I don’t want anything done, in fact i want more government and i want it more weaponized against your families, but if we are going to cut, which I’ll scream murder about regardless, we need to do it politely” - this is never going to be compelling
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
14790 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:49 pm to
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Why would anyone go back, though?


If they had no better prospects yet.

They might as well be looking for something else while working.

Again, I wouldn't blame any of them if they didn't return to work. They worked for a company undergoing an expense audit and it is clear that the consultant is going to recommend layoffs. That's risky.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
14790 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:50 pm to
Is this board full of people so stupid that I'm now having to argue whether mathematics is a matter of opinion or not?
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38553 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:52 pm to
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Is this board full of people so stupid that I'm now having to argue whether mathematics is a matter of opinion or not?
Posted by oklahogjr
Gold Membership
Member since Jan 2010
40237 posts
Posted on 3/5/25 at 10:54 pm to
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Google isn't as pedantic as you, so if you Google Twitter's revenue for this year it will give it to you, even though the name of the (same) company changed.

Ah I must be missing something can you send me a link to their financial statements? When I Google it all I get is old stats from before they went private and stopped reporting to SEC. There's an economic times article talking about a 20%+ decline down to 1.4 billion in ad revenue yoy but I'm guessing you guys have better insight to this private companies financial statements.
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