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Rand Paul has put Senate Reps on notice; peach mint related
Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:18 am
Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:18 am
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Rand Paul threatens fellow Republicans with explosive witness votes
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Paul says if four or more of his GOP colleagues join with Democrats to entertain new witness testimony, he will make the Senate vote on subpoenaing the president’s preferred witnesses, including Hunter Biden and the whistleblower behind the Ukraine scandal — polarizing picks who moderate Republicans aren’t eager to debate. So he has a simple message for his party: End the trial before witnesses are called.
“If you vote against Hunter Biden, you’re voting to lose your election, basically. Seriously. That’s what it is,” Paul said during an interview in his office on Wednesday. “If you don’t want to vote and you think you’re going to have to vote against Hunter Biden, you should just vote against witnesses, period.”
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The Kentucky Republican is occasionally at odds with Trump, from his strike against Iranian General Qassem Soleimani to his national emergency to build his border wall. But when it comes to impeachment, Paul is taking the hardest line possible in Trump’s favor.
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Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:24 am to Wtodd
Love that little pube headed Patriot
Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:26 am to Wtodd
Kill shot. Those who want the real truth to come out re Biden's corruption don't have to do it through the Impeachment Process...Graham will call Rudy to introduce hard evidence into the public arena...and it'll trigger a snoball ultimately proving that 'Muh Impeachment'...was really an Obstruction of Justice play by all the Dems who were dirty re Ukrainian Money.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:26 am to Wtodd
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The Kentucky Republican is occasionally at odds with Trump, from his strike against Iranian General Qassem Soleimani to his national emergency to build his border wall. But when it comes to impeachment, Paul is taking the hardest line possible in Trump’s favor.
Rand gets a lot of hate here but he is the only DC politician I know of that posseses a bit of integrity.
Right is right and wrong is wrong regardless of who it hurts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:29 am to Wtodd
This is pretty much exactly what I said should happen yesterday.
Donald Trump (or Rand Paul I guess) should tell them to drop the charges without any more fan fare because the Democrats failed to make a compelling case. If they don't, Trump should demand every single coup plotter take the stand. If anyone even hints at saying no, then Trump should say, "OK then, I'll make my case to the American people right now" and drop everything on them. All the FISA documents, all evidence of the plot. Everything.
It would end up catching a lot of these Senate Republicans as well.
Donald Trump (or Rand Paul I guess) should tell them to drop the charges without any more fan fare because the Democrats failed to make a compelling case. If they don't, Trump should demand every single coup plotter take the stand. If anyone even hints at saying no, then Trump should say, "OK then, I'll make my case to the American people right now" and drop everything on them. All the FISA documents, all evidence of the plot. Everything.
It would end up catching a lot of these Senate Republicans as well.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:34 am to BoarEd
This is how I'd like to see it play out:
Mitch moves to dismiss
Dems object
Roberts sides with Dem objection & says he can't just dismiss
Mitch says "Mr. Chief Justice, I'm the boss in these chambers, keep your place."
Mitch says "case dismissed"
Mitch moves to dismiss
Dems object
Roberts sides with Dem objection & says he can't just dismiss
Mitch says "Mr. Chief Justice, I'm the boss in these chambers, keep your place."
Mitch says "case dismissed"
Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:49 am to Wtodd
When that dude is right. He’s right.
This is the best news I’ve heard all day.
I especially love that a registered republican finally pointed out - OUT LOUD - that it’s political suicide to alienate the actual people who vote for you so Democrats don’t say too many mean things about you.
That’s the most chicken shite.
Do they hear how these same assholes talk about their own voters? Racist, misogynistic, cult like, stupid, deplorables. RINOs disgust me
This is the best news I’ve heard all day.
I especially love that a registered republican finally pointed out - OUT LOUD - that it’s political suicide to alienate the actual people who vote for you so Democrats don’t say too many mean things about you.
That’s the most chicken shite.
Do they hear how these same assholes talk about their own voters? Racist, misogynistic, cult like, stupid, deplorables. RINOs disgust me
Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:51 am to Wtodd
We don't need a dismissal.
We need nothing less than FULL acquittal.
We need nothing less than FULL acquittal.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:55 am to bamarep
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We need nothing less than FULL acquittal
If it goes to a vote we may get 2 or 3 Dems to acquit but that's it and with it along party lines, we wont' get a FULL acquittal.
If Mitch dismisses it and Roberts keeps his mouth shut, that says something we've known all along...that it should never happened to start with.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:00 am to RCDfan1950
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Graham will call Rudy to introduce hard evidence into the public arena
Graham ain't gonna do shite
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:06 am to cave canem
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Rand gets a lot of hate here but he is the only DC politician I know of that posseses a bit of integrity.
Right is right and wrong is wrong regardless of who it hurts
He's not as good as his dad was, but he's pretty damn good compared to his peers.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:22 am to bamarep
quote:Does not exist. “Acquittal” implies an affirmative finding of “not guilty,” and such a finding is simply NOT a part of the impeachment process.
We don't need a dismissal. We need nothing less than FULL acquittal.
In a criminal trial, there exist three possible results from the petit jury: conviction, acquittal and “hung jury.” In an impeachment trial, the Senate has only two: conviction or not.
Yet another manner in which the impeachment process is NOT directly analogous to a criminal trial.
This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 8:24 am
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:29 am to Wtodd
Rand Paul...
I love to hate him, and I hate to love him.
I’m having a hate to love him moment right now!
I love to hate him, and I hate to love him.
I’m having a hate to love him moment right now!
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:32 am to Wtodd
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Rand Paul
He better watch out or the Dems are going to send his crazy neighbor over to finish the job...
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:42 am to Wtodd
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Mitch says "Mr. Chief Justice, I'm the boss in these chambers, keep your place."
Mitch says "Mr. Chief Justice, I'm the boss in these chambers, stay in your lane."
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:44 am to Wtodd
quote:I think that many folks fail to understand the point that Rand is making here. It is basically an analysis containing two elements: procedural and political.
TLDNR: He is SAYING, “vote against allowing ANY witnesses, so you can avoid voting against (or “for”) SPECIFIC witnesses and thereby losing your job.”
First, the procedural. The 1986 Rules do not require the Senate to hear from ANY witnesses. They can vote to convict (or not) based solely upon the Articles and the arguments of the advocates.
In order to hear ANY witnesses at all (in a general sense), a majority of the Senate must vote to include witness testimony in the process. He is advocating AGAINST that procedure. If that procedure is approved, however, a majority of the Senate must vote as to whether they will allow the testimony of EACH proposed witness.
Now the political. He is also reminding reminding his GOP colleagues (if such a proposal to hear ANY witnesses should pass) that the votes regarding each individual proposed witness have the potential to be politically damaging to individual Senators at the next election.
For example, Senator Purple is from a swing state. Senator Purple votes to allow testimony from Bolton (because the Senator thinks it is relevant) and votes to exclude Biden (because he thinks it is irrelevant).
Rand is reminding his colleagues that a certain percentage of Trump voters will read those decisions as “failing to support GEOTUS” and suggesting that Senator Purple will likely be unseated by those voters.
He is SAYING, “vote against allowing ANY witnesses, so you can avoid voting against (or “for”) SPECIFIC witnesses and thereby losing your job.”
This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 8:51 am
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:47 am to SirWinston
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Love that little pube headed Patriot
me too - I occasionally disagree with him - but I have NEVER doubted his honesty or principles.
I trust him.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:55 am to bamarep
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We don't need a dismissal.
We need nothing less than FULL acquittal.
disagree = But I want a dismissal with some sort of official stigma associated with it
Put that damned asterisk* on Pelosi, the DEMOCRATS, and the Impeachment documents themselves.
= DISMISSED because of BAD FAITH in House of Representationve.
Followed by a bill to REQUIRE some sort of fair process in future Impeachment actions. Make SURE it cannot be just personal animosity or policy disagreement.
PLUS - censure of all the despicable actors in this past process -
Then initiate a hearing to investigate SEDITION on the part of the DEMOCRATs for all their activities in the past 3 years.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:01 am to Wtodd
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Paul says if four or more of his GOP colleagues join with Democrats to entertain new witness testimony, he will make the Senate vote on subpoenaing the president’s preferred witnesses, including Hunter Biden and the whistleblower behind the Ukraine scandal
Toss in that Rudy would be called and would be allowed to expose everything he found out in Ukraine and a LOT of sphincters are clenching in DC right now.
It's about fricking time.
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