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re: Question for those Louisiana natives over 35...
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:12 pm to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:12 pm to SpidermanTUba
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Yeah I think they call them Creoles.
Creoles encompasses descendants of émigrés to La.
Originally the settlers from Europe, and the slaves brought from Haiti.
Now it's everybody-say the descendants of the Acadians who had children with AAs.
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:33 pm to Jim Rockford
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My parents raised me right, though, so I learned about it at home.
What did they tell you?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 2:36 pm to Big Scrub TX
No one had to teach me anything. I was living in it.
Schools were segregated till the late 60s.
In the 50s I observed the following:
a. Blacks were not allowed to swim in the Rec Dept. pool.
b. Blacks watched movies up in the balcony section.
c. Doctors had white and black waiting rooms on either side of the nurses station.
In the 60s schools were still segregated.
I have no idea what voting laws were in place because I was too young to vote.
On the good side:
Every weekend the 'colored' section of the local newspaper had lots of wedding photos. I don't recall the last time I saw a wedding pic of blacks getting married in the local paper. Probably about 6 months ago.
Drug usage and crime were very rare. Black unemployment was also much lower than it is today.
Schools were segregated till the late 60s.
In the 50s I observed the following:
a. Blacks were not allowed to swim in the Rec Dept. pool.
b. Blacks watched movies up in the balcony section.
c. Doctors had white and black waiting rooms on either side of the nurses station.
In the 60s schools were still segregated.
I have no idea what voting laws were in place because I was too young to vote.
On the good side:
Every weekend the 'colored' section of the local newspaper had lots of wedding photos. I don't recall the last time I saw a wedding pic of blacks getting married in the local paper. Probably about 6 months ago.
Drug usage and crime were very rare. Black unemployment was also much lower than it is today.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 3:54 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:My dad had a full service garage and wrecker service - we lived in S/E Louisiana - the timber industry and farming/dairy was about all the folks had for work back in the late 50's to early 60's. My father would carry customers on credit and they would pay when the saw mills, milk processing plants and crops came in. Most of the pulp wood was done by the black folk (pulp wood was the scrap limbs from the logging) - my dad carried these folks on credit also - the klan found out and threaten to burn his business down - that is when I learned about about Jim Crow in Louisiana - the threats didn't phase him -he was a WWII wounded Marine vet and that had given him a slight edge against threats and he had two brothers that worked with him. When he passed away in the mid 70's - there was quiet a few black folks at his funeral.
What (if anything) did your parents and/or schools teach you about Jim Crow in Louisiana?
Posted on 2/16/14 at 4:31 pm to skinny domino
It was taught in my schools. My folks talked about it too.
Plessy v. Ferguson, Brown v. Board of Education and eveything inbetween.
My parents made us watch Roots the mini-series. We discussed the injustice of seperate but equal. We were told that our grandparents were ignorant in how they viewed "colored people" as they called them (or worse). We got punished if we made fun of how some black folks talked, or the names they had.
My Dad brought home an African native (from Ghana, I think) for dinner in 1974. He was visiting for a work conference with my Dad's company. We were proud that we were trying hard in our own way to end racism and segregation.
Plessy v. Ferguson, Brown v. Board of Education and eveything inbetween.
My parents made us watch Roots the mini-series. We discussed the injustice of seperate but equal. We were told that our grandparents were ignorant in how they viewed "colored people" as they called them (or worse). We got punished if we made fun of how some black folks talked, or the names they had.
My Dad brought home an African native (from Ghana, I think) for dinner in 1974. He was visiting for a work conference with my Dad's company. We were proud that we were trying hard in our own way to end racism and segregation.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 5:04 pm to Jimbeaux
Posted on 2/16/14 at 6:17 pm to NC_Tigah
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NC_Tigah
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Saw virtually none of it until my folks moved to Detroit. What a rude awakening that was. People up there were collectively the most unapologetic bigots I've ever encountered. It felt like a castcall for Mississippi Burning.
Don't know how old you are, but I'm pretty sure I'm older (I'm older than everybody, it seems . . . except Zach and ChineseBandit58
). Anyway, I was in high school when black people were finally allowed into restaurants, didn't have to sit in the balcony in the movie theater and the schools were actually desegregated.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 6:19 pm to skinny domino
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the klan found out and threaten to burn his business down - that is when I learned about about Jim Crow in Louisiana - the threats didn't phase him -he was a WWII wounded Marine vet and that had given him a slight edge against threats and he had two brothers that worked with him. When he passed away in the mid 70's - there was quiet a few black folks at his funeral.
Great story.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 6:22 pm to Big Scrub TX
Not sure where some of you went to school but we discussed it quite a bit in H.S.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 6:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Not sure where some of you went to school but we discussed it quite a bit in H.S.
Can you please characterize the discussion? For instance, did you ever learn about the "voting test" that was in the media several months back?
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Posted on 2/16/14 at 6:27 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Can you please characterize the discussion? For instance, did you ever learn about the "voting test" that was in the media several months back?
Sure we did. Even did an object lesson with them.
Are you hoping for some political gotcha point that it was kept hidden? Hate to disappoint you.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Was taught nothing about it. Learned about the civil war and slavery but that was it.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 8:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Sure we did. Even did an object lesson with them.
Really? You were taught that well into the 60's, Louisiana was administering what was effectively a "gotcha" test of riddles and/or language tricks in order to disqualify blacks from voting?
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Are you hoping for some political gotcha point that it was kept hidden? Hate to disappoint you.
What? No. I want to know what people were taught. I was taught none of it. I mean, I probably learned about a poll tax in 1905 or something. But I can honestly say not a single adult in my life ever mentioned anything to me about dirty pool like this at that late of a date.
Posted on 2/16/14 at 9:40 pm to Big Scrub TX
I was taught the truth by my parents and in school.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 9:44 am to Jim Rockford
My father was a doctor that had one waiting room or all of his patients regardless of color. The worst word you could utter was the N word as he would beat the absolute shite out of you. I did so twice before I was ten.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:09 am to Big Scrub TX
OP starts the thread with a conclusory statement backed up by absolutely no objective evidence.
OP has no intention of changing his mind with regard to his conclusion backed by nothing, no matter what kind of avalanche of contradictory information is generated here.
These LibIdiots are not here to learn a damn thing. They are here to wage informational/political warfare.
What's your solution, OP? Because white people were never taught about Jim Crow in the past, you want to set up FedGov Education Seminars and require white people to attend ? What's the penalty for refusal? Denial of FedGov benefits like healthcare? IRS audit?
Most who went to school past the year of 1970 learned about Jim Crow, you misinformed moron.
OP has no intention of changing his mind with regard to his conclusion backed by nothing, no matter what kind of avalanche of contradictory information is generated here.
These LibIdiots are not here to learn a damn thing. They are here to wage informational/political warfare.
What's your solution, OP? Because white people were never taught about Jim Crow in the past, you want to set up FedGov Education Seminars and require white people to attend ? What's the penalty for refusal? Denial of FedGov benefits like healthcare? IRS audit?
Most who went to school past the year of 1970 learned about Jim Crow, you misinformed moron.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 10:15 am
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:10 am to Big Scrub TX
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I was taught none of it.
So, just because YOU don't remember it in school, your conclusion is that NOBODY learned about Jim Crow in school?
You are the perfect Democrat Party voter.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:32 am to Champagne
quote:how would you know, kiddie?
Most who went to school past the year of 1970 learned about Jim Crow, you misinformed moron.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:01 am to Champagne
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So, just because YOU don't remember it in school, your conclusion is that NOBODY learned about Jim Crow in school?
I know for a fact that in the schools I went to - both public and private - it was not taught in any detail...and when it was taught, it was taught as if it were long dead and gone.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:03 am to Champagne
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OP starts the thread with a conclusory statement backed up by absolutely no objective evidence.
Which statement was that?
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What's your solution, OP? Because white people were never taught about Jim Crow in the past, you want to set up FedGov Education Seminars and require white people to attend ? What's the penalty for refusal? Denial of FedGov benefits like healthcare? IRS audit?
No. My opinion is that we have such generational ignorance on a topic we should all be much better educated about, it generates an even worse dynamic between the races.
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st who went to school past the year of 1970 learned about Jim Crow, you misinformed moron.
What did they learn, exactly? That's what I'm asking about. They learned that in the 1960's, the state of Louisiana was still systematically trying to keep blacks off the voter rolls by using brain teasers disguised as "literacy tests"? You are honestly telling me a student in 1970 was being taught that?
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