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re: Question for other Catholics about the Pope
Posted on 12/24/22 at 4:39 pm to David_DJS
Posted on 12/24/22 at 4:39 pm to David_DJS
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It's not that I think Francis is a bad pope, it's that I think he's evil.
The Catechism remains unaffected by Pope Francis. Pope Francis may personally be quite Leftist. However, the Catechism remains the same.
If you haven't read it in a while, it's on-line. Communism is specifically condemned in our Catechism. Homosexual sexual activity is specifically condemned in our Catechism.
LINK
PS There is nothing in our Catechism that excuses you from the obligation to attend Mass, if you think that the Pope is evil.
This post was edited on 12/24/22 at 4:42 pm
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Posted on 12/24/22 at 4:49 pm to burger bearcat
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liberal Jesuit?
Cant wait for him him to drop the divinity myth bomb.
Posted on 12/24/22 at 6:11 pm to burger bearcat
Ask God, not mankind.
Posted on 12/24/22 at 6:21 pm to LatinTiger30
the WEF didnt get to the pope ,satan lucifer call it whatever evil did,the pope and all the cardinals were executed he didn`t resign,a look alike has taken his place,true history has been hidden from us.
Posted on 12/24/22 at 6:24 pm to baybeefeetz
The Pope is supposed to have full reign over matters of faith but nothing else was what I was taught about 123 years ago in Catholic school
Posted on 12/24/22 at 8:47 pm to nealnan8
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There can't be a new Pope, unless the current Pope dies
This is false the Pope can retire or step-down as Pope Emeritus Benedict has down
Posted on 12/25/22 at 6:16 am to burger bearcat
I am a simple Catholic. Don’t get bogged down with anxiety over the direction of the Church. Yesterday, I looked up at the man on the cross and thought what if he literally came to life and stepped off that cross right now and stood before us. How many in this church would run in fear and how many would praise God, rejoice and follow him?
I believe it’s 50/50.
There’s going through the motions of faith in the Church and their is pick up a sword and Believe in the Church. The Church is not the Pope or the direction it’s lead by the Hierarchy. It is you, the individuals, that are bound together by Belief in God and his Church. Doctrine changes, leadership changes, but your faith should be strong and eternal.
Go to Church, worship as you see fit, don’t let the man made PC doctrine be a distraction. You are the Church, his Rock, be strong.
I believe it’s 50/50.
There’s going through the motions of faith in the Church and their is pick up a sword and Believe in the Church. The Church is not the Pope or the direction it’s lead by the Hierarchy. It is you, the individuals, that are bound together by Belief in God and his Church. Doctrine changes, leadership changes, but your faith should be strong and eternal.
Go to Church, worship as you see fit, don’t let the man made PC doctrine be a distraction. You are the Church, his Rock, be strong.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 6:03 pm to Champagne
quote:Seriously? My comments were about as low-key as they come. I was commenting about the process of selecting a Pope and how the current Pope’s selection of Cardinals may have a big impact on the next Pope chosen and the direction of Catholic leadership.
Foo, the OP clearly directs his inquiry to CATHOLICS. Why did you feel the need to inject your prejudiced opinions here?
Given how many Catholics (even in this thread) have expressed concern about the politics and theology of the current Pope, I didn’t think my comments would be too far off course from the concerns of many Catholics.
Also, if you look at my post history, I focus my comments on things religious and moral in nature. I’m not singling out Catholicism.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:21 pm to FooManChoo
Exactly. Bergoglio has been appointing his chosen liberals to the COC for quite a while now. What a fraud!
Posted on 12/25/22 at 10:04 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
My comments were about as low-key as they come
You have stated on this board that you do not consider Roman Catholics to belong to The Body of Christ, i.e. His Church. When the OP requests responses specifically from Roman Catholics, why would you inject your opinion? You don't consider Catholics to be Christians belonging to The Body of Christ, i.e. His Church. In the interest of full disclosure, you should always state this before you offer your opinion about Catholicism.
Also, I researched your particular Protestant denomination and discovered that there are only about 8,000 to 10,000 here in the USA. Is that true? I researched whether there were any congregations of your denomination in the State of Louisiana and I found none. Did I miss something?
I hope you are having a Merry Christ's Mass, i.e. Christmas.
This post was edited on 12/25/22 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 12/26/22 at 12:24 am to Champagne
quote:I commented because I wanted to.
You have stated on this board that you do not consider Roman Catholics to belong to The Body of Christ, i.e. His Church. When the OP requests responses specifically from Roman Catholics, why would you inject your opinion? You don't consider Catholics to be Christians belonging to The Body of Christ, i.e. His Church. In the interest of full disclosure, you should always state this before you offer your opinion about Catholicism.
My thoughts about the orthodoxy and legitimacy of Catholicism have nothing to do with the factual nature of the process of selecting Popes and how that could impact the conservatism or liberalism of the leadership of the RCC. I can put my biases aside to discuss that matter, but it seems you can’t.
quote:None in LA. 8-10k nationwide sounds about right. We have one of the oldest continuing denominations in the U.S. and we were planted by the Scottish Reformed church that has its roots with the Scottish Covenanters of the 1600s.
Also, I researched your particular Protestant denomination and discovered that there are only about 8,000 to 10,000 here in the USA. Is that true? I researched whether there were any congregations of your denomination in the State of Louisiana and I found none. Did I miss something?
Reformed theology seems to be making a comeback in the U.S. right now but it was waning over the last century or two with Arminian theology gaining a foothold.
quote:Thank you, but today was simply the Lord’s Day (the only biblically sanctioned holy day in the new covenant). The family celebrated the cultural “Christmas” on Saturday. No mass involved, though.
I hope you are having a Merry Christ's Mass, i.e. Christmas.
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 12:26 am
Posted on 12/26/22 at 8:57 am to FooManChoo
Thank you for answering and confirming those two facts about you. In the interests of full disclosure, when you comment on Roman Catholicism, you should make it clear that you do not consider Roman Catholicism to be a Christian Religion, and you do not consider practicing Roman Catholics to be fellow Christians. This ignorant and prejudiced viewpoint, which you firmly embrace, should be publicized around here so that people will take your opinions in line with your views.
Second, it's also important for all Roman Catholics around here to know that your particular sect of Protestantism has been so very Blessed by the Holy Spirit as to have only about 10,000 adherents in the entire USA, a nation of well over 300 million. In fact, it's important for everybody to know that, if you live in the state of Louisiana, and they wanted to go to your church, they would have to travel OUT of this state, because Louisiana has not one single church of your persuasion.
People around here should know what you are and what you believe as they read and consider your opinions around here about Roman Catholicism.
1) you don't consider the RC Church to be a Christian religion (it's pagan in your opinion, right?)
2) in the whole USA there are probably less than 10,000 of your Reformed Presbyterian fellow congregants and NONE in the state of Louisiana
Perhaps you should focus on reforming your own fellow Presbyterians who are fully embracing and endorsing the entire LGBT-Trans agenda.
Finally, why are you equivocating about your opinion regarding Catholics not being part of the Body of Christ? Be a man and admit that you wrote that on this board. I have your post bookmarked. I can re-post it if you continue to equivocate and attempt to mislead on this point.
Second, it's also important for all Roman Catholics around here to know that your particular sect of Protestantism has been so very Blessed by the Holy Spirit as to have only about 10,000 adherents in the entire USA, a nation of well over 300 million. In fact, it's important for everybody to know that, if you live in the state of Louisiana, and they wanted to go to your church, they would have to travel OUT of this state, because Louisiana has not one single church of your persuasion.
People around here should know what you are and what you believe as they read and consider your opinions around here about Roman Catholicism.
1) you don't consider the RC Church to be a Christian religion (it's pagan in your opinion, right?)
2) in the whole USA there are probably less than 10,000 of your Reformed Presbyterian fellow congregants and NONE in the state of Louisiana
Perhaps you should focus on reforming your own fellow Presbyterians who are fully embracing and endorsing the entire LGBT-Trans agenda.
Finally, why are you equivocating about your opinion regarding Catholics not being part of the Body of Christ? Be a man and admit that you wrote that on this board. I have your post bookmarked. I can re-post it if you continue to equivocate and attempt to mislead on this point.
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 9:24 am
Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:00 am to burger bearcat
The Catholic Church is an evil entity that condones and covers up pedophilia.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:47 am to Champagne
Everyone should note that it is you, a Roman Catholic, who is attempting to derail this thread on Catholic issues, making it about my beliefs instead of the Pope and the leadership of the RCC, when my original comments were not “Catholic bashing” at all, but were actually in agreement with many Catholics who have concerns about the current Pope.
This is a discussion forum, and such disclaimers are entirely unnecessary and irrelevant. If my arguments have no merit, then attack my arguments. I don’t bash Catholics for being Catholics. I argue against the unbiblical doctrines that are taught by the RCC.
And the Lord has been blessing my denomination with growth and expansion in spite of error and ignorance in this country. However, again, the truth isn’t always represented by numbers. God has always preserved a remnant of His people even if it was small number.
I believe salvation exists outside of my particular expression of Christianity (my denomination), even though no salvation exists apart from the grace of God that saves through faith in Jesus alone.
That’s the great thing about sola scriptura: it provides an unchanging standard for reformation and purity that applies to everyone equally, even myself. I have to repent of my sin every day and have had my own thinking and beliefs changed by God’s word.
quote:Why on earth would anyone comply with such a request? You don’t begin each of your comments with a disclaimer about your views on Protestantism, nor is that necessary. I also wouldn’t make a disclaimer about my views about Mormonism, Hinduism, or Atheism.
Thank you for answering and confirming those two facts about you. In the interests of full disclosure, when you comment on Roman Catholicism, you should make it clear that you do not consider Roman Catholicism to be a Christian Religion, and you do not consider practicing Roman Catholics to be fellow Christians. This ignorant and prejudiced viewpoint, which you firmly embrace, should be publicized around here so that people will take your opinions in line with your views.
This is a discussion forum, and such disclaimers are entirely unnecessary and irrelevant. If my arguments have no merit, then attack my arguments. I don’t bash Catholics for being Catholics. I argue against the unbiblical doctrines that are taught by the RCC.
quote:Again you are trying to make this personal and use irrelevant arguments. The number of members is absolutely irrelevant to the truth of the teachings. Islam has a fair number of adherents, too, but surely you wouldn’t see that as a sign of the truth of their religion or the blessing of the Spirit on them.
Second, it's also important for all Roman Catholics around here to know that your particular sect of Protestantism has been so very Blessed by the Holy Spirit as to have only about 10,000 adherents in the entire USA, a nation of well over 300 million. In fact, it's important for everybody to know that, if you live in the state of Louisiana, and they wanted to go to your church, they would have to travel OUT of this state, because Louisiana has not one single church of your persuasion.
And the Lord has been blessing my denomination with growth and expansion in spite of error and ignorance in this country. However, again, the truth isn’t always represented by numbers. God has always preserved a remnant of His people even if it was small number.
quote:All they have to do is read my comments. I’m not exactly shy about saying what I believe to be true.
People around here should know what you are and what you believe as they read and consider your opinions around here about Roman Catholicism.
quote:I believe the RCC is a heretical expression of the Christian religion based on its rejection of God’s word as the only authority for faith and life and the specific result of that being a man-made way of salvation by the merits of man rather than by the grace of God. Even with that said, I have no hatred against the Catholic lay person. I feel sorry for them and believe they have been led astray.
1) you don't consider the RC Church to be a Christian religion (it's pagan in your opinion, right?)
quote:Again, wholly irrelevant. There are many OPC, PCA, and other Presbyterian and Reformed churches that are very similar to my denomination that people in LA can attend.
2) in the whole USA there are probably less than 10,000 of your Reformed Presbyterian fellow congregants and NONE in the state of Louisiana
I believe salvation exists outside of my particular expression of Christianity (my denomination), even though no salvation exists apart from the grace of God that saves through faith in Jesus alone.
quote:Again, this is a discussion forum. I discuss all sorts of things and call all types of sinners to repentance and faith. I call out Arminian Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals, Eastern Orthodox Christians, Catholics, and even Presbyterians. There are even people in my own denomination that have false views on things that I have discussions with.
Perhaps you should focus on reforming your own fellow Presbyterians who are fully embracing and endorsing the entire LGBT-Trans agenda.
That’s the great thing about sola scriptura: it provides an unchanging standard for reformation and purity that applies to everyone equally, even myself. I have to repent of my sin every day and have had my own thinking and beliefs changed by God’s word.
quote:I’m not equivocating. I have said more than once that I believe there is no salvation where man’s works are added to Christ’s as the basis for justification. While I’m sure there are saved persons within the RCC, I don’t believe that anyone who fully understands and accepts as truth Rome’s teaching on justification is saved. They teach a different gospel than the scriptures teach.
Finally, why are you equivocating about your opinion regarding Catholics not being part of the Body of Christ? Be a man and admit that you wrote that on this board. I have your post bookmarked. I can re-post it if you continue to equivocate and attempt to mislead on this point.
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 9:55 am
Posted on 12/26/22 at 10:29 am to Cuz413
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I'd say the odds of getting a polar opposite of Francis is slim to none.
The current Pontiff has stacked the college of Cardinals with ones like himself. Popes from here on out will be in Francis’s image.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 12:24 pm to nealnan8
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There can't be a new Pope, unless the current Pope dies.
Pope Bennedict says hold my wine.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 12:28 pm to FooManChoo
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FooManChoo
Get out of this thread. You are not approaching this topic with anything close to resembling charity.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 1:20 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Re-read the introduction to my last post and then go talk to Champagne about that.
Get out of this thread. You are not approaching this topic with anything close to resembling charity.
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:13 pm to FooManChoo
Here is what you wrote in a previous thread. I bookmarked your post.
You couldn't summon the courage to state again what you previously wrote.
Foo injects himself into a thread directed specifically to Catholics, but, Foo wants to hide the fact that in his view Catholics do not belong to the Body of Christ. Foo is being evasive and misleading.
Foo said:
"Roman Catholicism is not the body of Christ. By rejecting the gospel (justification by Christ's righteousness being imputed to sinners by faith) and replacing it with a man-centered righteousness gained by works, Rome has removed herself from the body of Christ."
You couldn't summon the courage to state again what you previously wrote.
Foo injects himself into a thread directed specifically to Catholics, but, Foo wants to hide the fact that in his view Catholics do not belong to the Body of Christ. Foo is being evasive and misleading.
Foo said:
"Roman Catholicism is not the body of Christ. By rejecting the gospel (justification by Christ's righteousness being imputed to sinners by faith) and replacing it with a man-centered righteousness gained by works, Rome has removed herself from the body of Christ."
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:17 pm to Champagne
I don’t have to think that atheists belong to the body of Christ in order to inject myself (comment) into things atheists like to talk about.
Likewise, I can comment on Roman Catholicism without thinking they are a true expression of the Church of Jesus Christ.
And as much as you want to make this about me, my original comments were about the process of selecting a Pope and Cardinals and the direction of the Catholic church due to what Francis has done.
I didn’t bash Catholics in my post. I didn’t offer my personal opinion about the salvation of the Pope or any of the Cardinals.
Do you disagree with anything I said in my first post or are you hung up on me invading your space?
Likewise, I can comment on Roman Catholicism without thinking they are a true expression of the Church of Jesus Christ.
And as much as you want to make this about me, my original comments were about the process of selecting a Pope and Cardinals and the direction of the Catholic church due to what Francis has done.
I didn’t bash Catholics in my post. I didn’t offer my personal opinion about the salvation of the Pope or any of the Cardinals.
Do you disagree with anything I said in my first post or are you hung up on me invading your space?
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