re: Question for Iran war supporters

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The question I have is for those that voted for Trump is - was your vote for Trump in part or entirely because he would use military force to attack Iran?

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Neither.

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At Trumps election-night victory speech, he reiterated: "I'm not going to start a war. I'm going to stop wars."

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With Presidential candidates, we all have to understand that the most sensitive national security information is watered down for candidates. Any President once in office, regardless of party will likely receive daily briefings that indicate a risk has been elevated or that prior briefings were inaccurate.

Yes, Trump is a narcissist who cares about his legacy. I believe he recognized the pattern of every administration prior to the current one, including his own prior term, did not have any success mitigating the global security risk that Iran routinely presents themselves to be. He sacrificed his election night declaration to attempt what no other administration would dare do.

It was simply a risk he was willing to take because based on the best intelligence information available, the status quo was unacceptable. Iran was 100% producing longer range missiles and had maintained a stash of highly enriched uranium that had no civilian use. It didn’t take long for Iran to actually demonstrate their capability with longer range missiles that had previously been undisclosed. The strait has always been vulnerable to Iran’s whims that could affect the global economy.

If Trump’s team underestimated anything, it was the impact of Iran’s slaughter of their own people that made a future uprising unlikely, and the length of time that oil prices would remain too high for consumers to tolerate.

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Congress didn't authorize anything to do with Iran, and it isn't a war.

You're very confused, and not following the conversation.

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You steal the wealth, resources and lives of your fellow man so you can spread death and destruction around the world. And you do it with lies and deception.

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And apparently very comfortable with declaring yourself God.

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You seem very comfortable serving Satan.

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[quote]Now list all our terrorist attacks on them.

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Do it yourself




then explain both how that’s relevant and why you’re going out of your way to be dishonest, and it appears like a reflexive defense of Iran.

Edit: wait never mind. I see you just outed yourself above. dude this was discussed in the discord multiple times – you’re not supposed to be so obvious about it

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then explain both how that’s relevant and why you’re going out of your way to be dishonest, and it appears like a reflexive defense of Iran.

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He apparently really like the IRGC. He even told me I'm going to hell for stating facts about the war on terror, which has nothing to do with this Iran thing but somehow got brought up anyway.

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This is literally some Bill Clinton, woke, speech

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It's simply the truth. Trump isn't taking any unconstitutional actions with this conflict in Iran. He's doing exactly what he is authorized to do as president.

No war has been declared by us. On Iran's end, they've been at war with us for a long time.

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Okay then. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about, but by all means please continue to make yourself look like an idiot.

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I already explained to you why that was unconstitutional and an abuse of power.

It was nothing more than a transfer of war powers and a violation of the constitution via loopholes. It has no boundaries and can be used on anything declared terrorists.

Completely destroying our constitutions balance of power along with the patriot act and other things done in the same light.

People like you are the ones responsible for destroying our country.

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No war has been declared by us

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Correct, because the US has not declared war via Congress since WWII. Iran is not a war. Iraq was not a war. Afghanistan was not a war.

Had nothing to do with Iran

Have no need for Progressives - Democrats

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frick you, you retarded twat. Go back and read your statement that I quoted. That was the specific item to which I responded.

You’re suck a fricking retard, and you’ve been dropping your retarded shite in multiple threads. Beneath you intellectually. Bitch, you can’t even read.

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You are so stupid. Fine. I will do this this one time. I will walk you through the conversation you inserted yourself into.

After the quoted text I previously provided to you, the next response to me was this:

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That's not what makes it a war. Congress didn't formally declare those a war. Sorry that hurts your feelings.

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Remember, this is in the context of my specific response about the War on Terror authorization, which did happen.

I responded with this:

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Congress actually did authorize the war on terror. Sorry facts are difficult for you.

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3down10, who you are currently in a race with for biggest idiot in this thread, responded immediately after with this:

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bullshite. The house has voted against it.

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This is obviously false, so I responded with:

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Congress did authorize the war on terror. I'm amazed there are people who don't know this.

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Again, 3down10 is really wanting to be the dumbest person in this thread, so he responded with:

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There is no such thing as a war on terror. It's just a broad brush so they can abuse the constitution and kill anyone they decide by labeling them terrorists.

The constitution says only congress can declare war. And if the house has voted against it, then you do not have the required support to have a war.

Not that you give a remote frick about the constitution.

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Again, this is all obviously false.

1. Because there obviously is the war on terror. It happened. I didn't support it, but it definitely happened.

2. Congress hasn't repealed the use of force authorization that allowed the war on terror. I would love to see them do that, but they simply haven't, and they won't.

My response to this obvious stupidity from 3down10 was this:

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That's nice, but it is a war that Congress authorized. They did declare it. That was the authorization for going into Iraq and Afghanistan that the other poster was asking about.

It doesn't have anything to do with the Iran conflict though. That isn't a war. I don't think you're following the conversation very well because you seem to be confused.

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This is where you decided to respond with this:

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No they didn’t.

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Are you following the conversation now? Have I dumbed it down to your level enough that you see what was being said and you can actually follow the conversation? Do you now see how the quote I responded to you with is completely relevant to your response to me?

Like I said. You are intellectually below me. You are not worth my time.

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How about taking over a democratically elected government in 1953 and installing a brutal dictator that killed his political opponents and such while giving the west the resources of the country.

How about when we gave Saddam chemical weapons to be used against Iran(and they were) after we got Saddam to declare war on them in 1980.

You know all those strikes we've taken? Those are the equivalent to most of what you listed. Because you took any thing they did, or that you could accuse them of. Some of them are even attacks on military bases and none of them are on US soil - all in the middle east, where we do not belong to begin with.

How about when Trump bombs them and threatens to end their civilization if they do not bend to his political will - the actual definition of terrorism.

I'm in defense of the truth and justice. This is all done for the benefit of bankers and globalists who want to take the resources of countries for their own profits. Meanwhile our country is being destroyed internally by these things and people like you fricking cheer for it.

We are not at all justified in our actions. None of this is for the benefit of the US citizens, we are just being used to power the war machine.

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Proof that the stupid live and walk among us.