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re: Question for Devil Worshippers about Satan
Posted on 12/28/22 at 10:52 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 12/28/22 at 10:52 pm to AggieHank86
quote:To my knowledge, it never considered the Constitution to be "invalid", only "immoral". Some dissenters did, and still do, believe the government to be invalid, but that's not commonly held within the denomination and our Constitution actually says the opposite. It's understood that a government doesn't have to recognize Christ's authority to be valid (Paul taught to submit to the authority of Rome, which didn't recognize the authority of Christ until Constantine), but it must recognize Christ's authority to be moral and to avoid God's wrath (either as individual leaders or as a nation).
Does reformed Presbyterianism still consider the US Constitution to be invalid, because it does not acknowledge Jesus as the King of Nations?
Here is the specific wording of our Testimony (commentary and application of the Westminster Confession of Faith): The failure of a civil government, through negligence, ignorance, or rebellion, to recognize the authority of Jesus Christ does not cancel its just authority. A civil government, though guilty of many sins, still has authority in so far as it furthers some of the scriptural ends of civil government
BTW, that last part is talking primarily about civil justice.
quote:No. Primarily due to the availability of explanatory oaths (taking an oath of allegiance with the caveat that Christ is our supreme authority, not the Constitution of the United States), the denomination recognized that participation in even a sinful government is allowable. The Christian still has the duty to refuse to act in a way that does a disservice or injustice to the Christian religion, such as following immoral orders if in the military.
Do your church courts still punish congregants who vote or who serve on juries?
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 11:00 pm
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Posted on 12/28/22 at 11:04 pm to AggieHank86
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but there was evidence of a proto-Zeus and a proto-Poseidon at some Mycenaean sites. Phoenician origin?
I think Zeus is a dead ringer copy of Ba’al Hadad of Canaan (identical to pre exile YHWH) now that you mention it. Then I thought to myself “Asherah aka Holy Spirit symbol is the dove- let me check on symbols of Aphrodite”. It’s also a dove. They seem to be duplicates as well.
Gods like Ba’al Hadad / YHWH and Marduk of Babylon defeated the giant water monster or god of the sea Mot. Turns out Zeus did fight and defeat Poseidon.
I’ll be damned.
Posted on 12/28/22 at 11:32 pm to Squirrelmeister
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I’ll be damned.
Probably. Any particular reason that you’re more interested in discussing Christianity than your own worldview?
Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:39 am to FooManChoo
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If I'm wrong about all of this and you are right, there are no consequences for me, but if I am right and you are wrong, you will never know a day without suffering after you die.
Settle down, Pascal.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 7:20 am to Squirrelmeister
Another fun thought.
Both Darius and Xerxes incorporated soldiers from conquered territories into their armies. This would include soldiers from the Levant. We know this because the Persians used them against the Egyptians, too.
We consider both ancient Israel (north and south) and Greece to be building blocks of our civilization.
How many soldiers from the former died in an attempt to conquer the latter on behalf of the Persians?
Both Darius and Xerxes incorporated soldiers from conquered territories into their armies. This would include soldiers from the Levant. We know this because the Persians used them against the Egyptians, too.
We consider both ancient Israel (north and south) and Greece to be building blocks of our civilization.
How many soldiers from the former died in an attempt to conquer the latter on behalf of the Persians?
This post was edited on 12/29/22 at 7:50 am
Posted on 12/29/22 at 7:33 am to FooManChoo
Probably best not to feed the trolls.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 8:48 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Pascal
He’s wagered based on his theology, but it’s not a coin flip. The main flaw is that it assumes there is one god, or that the wager is for not only the correct god or gods but also the god or gods must be satisfied with the requirements of the person to enter the afterlife. There’s thousands of religions with equal proof of the truth (that is to say, none) of their theologies compared to his. Even with his wager his chances of finding the “correct” religion is about the same as mine.
Then there the issue that if one takes that wager, then there is still some doubt that God exists, and in most religions if you are not a true believer you aren’t eligible for everlasting afterlife.
God could easily fix all this by riding a cherub down from the clouds while breathing fire and boulders and smite some people with his arrows for us all to see like the Bible alleges. I can promise if I saw something like that with my own eyes I’d be a believer! I think some of that smiting in scripture was fluff though - he couldn’t even beat iron chariots. I don’t think he’d be any match for an AR-15 or a tank.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 8:52 pm to TigerAxeOK
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If you talk to a practicing satanist, they'll tell you that they don't actually believe in Satan. They'll say it's just an ideology not related to worship of a specific deity, but against the "limitations and restrictions of behavior" that are written in the Holy Bible and practiced by many of those whom profess Judeo-Christian faith
his greatest trick is convincing you that he doesn’t exist
Posted on 12/29/22 at 8:54 pm to Squirrelmeister
Right.
And what of the countless individuals throughout history who didn't even know they were supposed to make the wager?
And what of the countless individuals throughout history who didn't even know they were supposed to make the wager?
Posted on 12/29/22 at 8:59 pm to Quatre Pot
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his greatest trick is convincing you that he doesn’t exist
As the world burns, people like you jerk off to this fear of a "Satan". Sad.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:00 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Yeah, there are more problems with Pascal's wager than most people can count.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:06 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
True. But are Christians not the group most responsible for keeping those savages at bay?
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:12 pm to roadGator
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True. But are Christians not the group most responsible for keeping those savages at bay?
Do you only oppose Islam because you're a Christian?
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:19 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
No.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:20 pm to AggieHank86
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Yeah, there are more problems with Pascal's wager than most people can count.
I always appreciate when someone makes reference to it. It's even better when it's someone like William Lane Craig. Watching him fall on his face is always a good time.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:21 pm to roadGator
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No.
Well, there you go.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:36 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
You are welcome.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:41 pm to roadGator
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:49 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Great actor
This post was edited on 12/29/22 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 12/29/22 at 10:08 pm to LatherZap
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fear of a "Satan".
If Satan and “the LORD” are real, I’m not sure why some would fear Satan more than the LORD. Read the Bible and see how many were murdered by the LORD versus by Satan. There’s this saying “God fearing”… there’s much to be fearful if you believe in him and worship him. Look at all of his loyal faithful followers he murdered, and those that didn’t worship him like the Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, and Romans he let those foreigners destroy his supposed “chosen people”. The LORD delighted in bloodshed. The LORD forced David (allegedly) to give Saul’s two sons and 5 grandsons to the Gibeonites so that they could sacrifice them to the LORD so that the LORD would end a famine. The LORD made a deal with Jepthah and accepted the blood sacrifice of his daughter. Look at what the LORD did to Job killing his whole family just to test his faith. In Isaiah 45:7 the LORD admits to creating evil. I’d be fearful too.
I’d I didn’t know the devil theology was borrowed straight from Persian Zoroastrianism, and just read scripture, I would think that the “Devil” is a scapegoat (first temple theology pun) for the LORD’s evil deeds depending on which gospel or book I was reading like John. In Matthew the devil seems like a prosecutor like in Job… Jesus’ mother the Holy Spirit brought him to the mountain to let the Satan test his faith to his father El Elyon and he passed the test.
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