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Pros/Cons - Cost/Benefit of Foreign Military Bases
Posted on 1/6/20 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 1/6/20 at 1:39 pm
I just stumbled across his report from the CATO Institute, analyzing the costs and benefits of maintaining a worldwide system of military bases.
It is a long read, but VERY interesting.
TLDNR
CATO thinks that the system is outdated, not especially useful in modern times, and sometimes affirmatively-counterproductive.
It is a long read, but VERY interesting.
TLDNR
CATO thinks that the system is outdated, not especially useful in modern times, and sometimes affirmatively-counterproductive.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 1:40 pm to AggieHank86
I think it should be analyzed on a case by case basis
Posted on 1/6/20 at 1:41 pm to AggieHank86
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CATO Institute
Didn’t read
Posted on 1/6/20 at 1:42 pm to AggieHank86
I'm not qualified enough to be able to contribute an educated answer to this debate so I'll sit back and just observe this.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 1:42 pm to Caplewood
quote:If we only read the things with which we anticipate we will agree, we get a rather one-dimensional view of the world.
Didn’t read
CATO says that Europe is the most-obvious case for closing bases and removing our permanent presence, because it is stable and peaceful and because Russia is no longer a threat of large-scale invasion. I tend to agree.
Even CATO admits that the analysis is more difficult in "hot spots," where it is entirely foreseeable that we will need to engage in military operations of some type. They still argue "shut them down," and I tend to disagree on this point.
In Europe, we can count upon allies making facilities available to us when needed. This is less true in a more "hot" environment with a less-stable ally or alliance.
Korea is another area where I disagree. I have no doubt that the presence of US troops has prevented hostilities in that theater. I say that despite the fact that a dear friend of mine died on a training exercise in Korea a couple of years after we graduated from TAMU.
In MOST places, I can envision a system in which we rotate troops through allies' facilities on an ongoing series of joint exercises, but in which we do NOT permanently base many of our combat troops overseas.
At the same time, I can see a number of bases scattered around the globe with a "skeleton crew" of support personnel and forward-deployed equipment and supplies, ready for quick occupancy when needed.
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 1/6/20 at 1:43 pm to AggieHank86
Don’t have time to read the full article right now. But my original reaction is that this should be evaluated in a base by base basis.
We certainly don’t need as many as we have, that’s for sure
But I could see a lot of benefits to retaining a few of the major ones, such as Ramstein, Yokosuka, Rota, and the air station near Naples.
We probably should not be maintaining nearly as many as we do in the Middle East, Incirlik included.
We certainly don’t need as many as we have, that’s for sure
But I could see a lot of benefits to retaining a few of the major ones, such as Ramstein, Yokosuka, Rota, and the air station near Naples.
We probably should not be maintaining nearly as many as we do in the Middle East, Incirlik included.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 1:43 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
that the system is outdated
Not surprising since it really hasn't changed much post WWII.
quote:
not especially useful in modern times,
Power projection has significantly improved, so I would agree here as well...
We could definitely stand to cut the majority of our overseas bases or at least combine a lot of them...
Posted on 1/6/20 at 1:44 pm to AggieHank86
Fun fact: I lived with CATOs founders son at Alabama
Posted on 1/6/20 at 1:57 pm to AggieHank86
We are flexing to the Pacific now, Australia has U.S. Marines based there, iirc USAF has plans for bases. We signed a 99 year lease for Al Udeid in Qatar, so the overseas footprint hasn't really changed since the days of the closures of Torrejon etc.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:00 pm to Jbird
quote:Australia makes a great deal of sense for a small permanent presence and lots of forward-deployed equipment and supplies.
We are flexing to the Pacific now, Australia has U.S. Marines based there
NW Australia is quite literally the best spot on the planet from which we can assure an ability to make a quick response anywhere on the globe.
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:04 pm to AggieHank86
quote:From USAF perspective Hickam, Australia, Guam, Yokota that covers it nicely.
NW Australia is quite literally the best spot on the planet from which we can assure an ability to make a quick response anywhere on the globe.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:12 pm to Jbird
quote:Diego Garcia?
From USAF perspective Hickam, Australia, Guam, Yokota that covers it nicely.
Yeah, I know it is tiny and NW Australia could accomplish the same thing geographically.
I was actually thinking we could easily cover all foreign corners of the globe with a sizable FOB in (1) Japan, (2) NW Australia (Port Hedland or Broome?), (3) NE Africa or northern tip of Madagascar and (4) somewhere on the SW coast of Africa or east coast of South America. Maybe somewhere on the northern coast of Argentina. Nice weather and hot women.
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:14 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
he system is outdated, not especially useful in modern times, and sometimes affirmatively-counterproductive.
All that, plus we can't afford it so are borrowing money to do it.
The Department of Defense exists to defend the homeland. Thus, the Department of Homeland Security is completely redundant.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:17 pm to AggieHank86
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Diego Garcia?
I think some "international court" ruled that the Brits illegally seized the island from those originally living there.
And given how they cave in to the Muslims regularly, I think they will give it back, thus taking it off the table as an option.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:30 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:You and I agree on many things, but I must part ways with you on this topic.
The Department of Defense exists to defend the homeland. Thus, the Department of Homeland Security is completely redundant.
I would prefer to protect my personal skin with a long-range rifle versus with a Bowie knife, and I would prefer to protect the Homeland at a safe distance, rather than on our own shores.
We do not need 800 bases in more than 70 countries to do that, but we cannot do it by retreating into isolationism, either.
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:47 pm to AggieHank86
The cost is too high, we are deeply in debt, our “allies” need to fund their own defense, and most of the bases are obsolete based upon current threats.
All to the cost of up to $120 Billion annually.
All to the cost of up to $120 Billion annually.
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Maintaining overseas military bases is a uniquely American preoccupation: the United States has approximately 800 military bases; France and the United Kingdom have roughly 12 each; and Russia, the adversary with the next most overseas bases, has about 9.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:50 pm to AggieHank86
Certain strategic bases are needed for logistical and force projection reasons, but the overwhelming majority could, and should, be closed.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:55 pm to AggieHank86
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NW Australia is quite literally the best spot on the planet from which we can assure an ability to make a quick response anywhere on the globe.
A place only slightly less desolate and God-forsaken as the shitholes we already occupy in the ME.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 2:58 pm to Ag Zwin
quote:True, but there would be no rules against beer, and no one trying to shoot you if you go surfing.
A place only slightly less desolate and God-forsaken as the shitholes we already occupy in the ME.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 3:01 pm to AggieHank86
We need more austere bases and fewer "Camp Humphreys" type bases.
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