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Progressives’ dreams will send New York right back to ‘70s blight
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:31 pm
Are the warnings in this editorial a legitimate reflection of the threats NYC faces with the defunding of the police department (by up to $1 billion so far) and the Covid crisis?
Pictures of Jimmy Carter's visit to the massive blight in the south Bronx in 1977
For those younger posters....NYC was a dump in the 1970s. Detroit had nothing on NYC at the time.
Will the financial industry that dominate's NYC's economy help prevent this? Because Covid + a powerful effort to dismantle law enforcement could be a one-two punch that the city can't easily recover from.
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Progressives’ dreams will send New York right back to ‘70s blight
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In 1974, a great movie called “The Taking of Pelham One Two Three” featured the hijacking of a subway car. The crooks demand a million-dollar ransom from New York City. “Goddamit,” yells the mayor, “this city doesn’t have a million dollars!”
No one-liner was ever so prophetic. The following year, in mid-October 1975, New York City owed its creditors a payment of $453 million — and had exactly $34 million on hand the day before the bill came due.
Yes, this nation’s largest city had the equivalent of two quarters and some lint in its collective pocket when the bill collector came to call.
What I’m saying is we’ve seen this movie before. And we could be heading for a remake.
Before the riots and looting of the past week, New Yorkers were facing existential questions about their continued residence in the city going forward. Primarily this: How can we stay here when the compensating pleasures of a life lived in crowds might be putting us and our families in danger?
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And people who were already thinking of fleeing for their health are thinking even harder about hitting the road to protect their personal safety and long-term security.
Nationwide, nightmarish images of apparent police misconduct are fueling a radical movement against policing itself — the idea being that cops in the United States should be defined not by the protection they provide but by the exceptional monsters that arise occasionally in their midst.
No matter. Julia Salazar, a self-described socialist state senator representing Brooklyn, is thrilled by the prospect of slashing police budgets.
“To see legislators who aren’t even necessarily on the left supporting at least a significant decrease in New York Police Department funding is really very encouraging,” she told The Guardian.
It’s encouraging if you know nothing about history.
In the 1960s and 1970s, police officers in New York City lost the confidence of the public. To some degree, this was well-deserved, as investigations uncovered deep corruption and official policies (so-called “911 policing”) changed priorities from preventing crime to showing up on the scene after the crimes had been committed.
Just when cops were needed most, they were at their most ineffectual. And that may be the long-term consequence of the current sustained effort to delegitimize their profession.
Pictures of Jimmy Carter's visit to the massive blight in the south Bronx in 1977
For those younger posters....NYC was a dump in the 1970s. Detroit had nothing on NYC at the time.
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The crime wave that began in 1964 haunted the lives of everyone in the city. And as the government’s bank account began to deplete itself, so did the city’s resources. Garbage pickup slowed. Street cleaning slowed. Grassy parkland became the exception rather than the rule.
It took 20 years, the end of the three-decade crime wave and the astonishing growth of the financial-services sector beginning in 1983 for the city’s numbers to return to those of 1970 — and grow beyond that in the next 20 to 8.5 million.
The flight to safety may be upon us again.
Will the financial industry that dominate's NYC's economy help prevent this? Because Covid + a powerful effort to dismantle law enforcement could be a one-two punch that the city can't easily recover from.
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:33 pm to goofball
quote:There's that year again
The crime wave that began in 1964
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:34 pm to goofball
Apparently, the challenge has been issued to see just how quickly they city can be returned to the rats has been accepted and is now well under way to bring it to fruition.
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Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:34 pm to goofball
Millennials and Zoomers are too young to remember that NYC used to be a first-class shite hole. Giulianni cleaned it up.
They take for granted the NYC they remember from the past 20 years.
They also don't understand how oppressive and evil Communism is because they can't remember the Soviet Union.
They take for granted the NYC they remember from the past 20 years.
They also don't understand how oppressive and evil Communism is because they can't remember the Soviet Union.
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:36 pm to Numberwang
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Millennials and Zoomers are too young to remember that NYC used to be a first-class shite hole. Giulianni cleaned it up.
I seriously think that's part of the problem.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:36 pm to goofball
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Progressives’ dreams will send New York right back to ‘70s blight
cant wait
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:40 pm to Numberwang
Great post. This experience is not unique to NYC. Most large US cities went through this same cycle during or near the same time periods. Most have been reborn and were growing until this year. I feel confident that you won’t see many IT companies investing in Portland or Seattle any time soon.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:44 pm to Numberwang
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They also don't understand how oppressive and evil Communism is because they can't remember the Soviet Union.
And because schools are now socialist indoctrination camps and their leaders all bow to China.
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Millennials and Zoomers are too young to remember that NYC used to be a first-class shite hole. Giulianni cleaned it up.
Yup.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:45 pm to michael corleone
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Most large US cities went through this same cycle during or near the same time periods. Most have been reborn and were growing until this year.
As Millennials grow the frick up and move to the suburbs to escape a problem their politics created.....maybe they'll think twice about supporting Marxism.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:47 pm to goofball
Progressives will learn the hard way when their cities become slums.
As more people work from home and businesses use cloud services, commercial real-estate in cities will go in the toilet. Cities will be overrun with crime and poverty.
As more people work from home and businesses use cloud services, commercial real-estate in cities will go in the toilet. Cities will be overrun with crime and poverty.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:48 pm to goofball
Does anybody up in here remember the 'squeegee men'?
Bet they'll come back.
Bet they'll come back.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 2:49 pm to goofball
This is an example of why you can't give lefties nice things.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 3:01 pm to Zach
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Does anybody up in here remember the 'squeegee men'?
Bet they'll come back
They're already back.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 3:27 pm to goofball
Before it's all said and done they'll beg for Rudy to come back and bring law and order.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 3:53 pm to goofball
I wouldn't live in NYC if you paid me and gave me a free house. Upstate NY is a different story though, especially the Adirondacks.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 3:58 pm to goofball
quote:this has litterally nothing to do with millennials and zoomers being too young. This all stems from, yet again, Boomers in charge.
I seriously think that's part of the problem.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 4:02 pm to Numberwang
quote:Agreed. We might have been better off if the USSR were still around as a “live” test case for all to see.
Millennials and Zoomers are too young to remember that NYC used to be a first-class shite hole. Giulianni cleaned it up.
They take for granted the NYC they remember from the past 20 years.
They also don't understand how oppressive and evil Communism is because they can't remember the Soviet Union.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 4:24 pm to Numberwang
quote:Yes.
Millennials and Zoomers are too young to remember that NYC used to be a first-class shite hole.
quote:Meh. Every city around the world "cleaned up" when crime started dropping.
Giulianni cleaned it up.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 4:30 pm to BigB123
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Agreed. We might have been better off if the USSR were still around as a “live” test case for all to see.
Oh, that would mean nothing. There were always plenty of Communist allies in the US. Hollywood, from the very beginning (there's a REASON they created a blacklist, after all), college campuses all they way back to the 30's. Hell, in the 80's, pro-Soviet groups were loud in both the US and Britain.
And Millenials/Zoomers KNOW how shitty the USSR was. That's why the say "But they weren't really communist. They were fascist. Real communism hasn't been tried".
Posted on 7/13/20 at 4:39 pm to goofball
I moved to NYC in 1972. It was a crime ridden place but had lots of great restaurants. Now the city doesn't even have that, but de blasio is restoring the crime part.
The city streets are still half abandoned due the coronavirus and to the protests, riots and looting. This time it will have a harder time coming back.
de Blasio is toast however and the last time the city fell this low, Giuliani became mayor and made a world of difference in a matter of days. I could feel it on the streets.
The city streets are still half abandoned due the coronavirus and to the protests, riots and looting. This time it will have a harder time coming back.
de Blasio is toast however and the last time the city fell this low, Giuliani became mayor and made a world of difference in a matter of days. I could feel it on the streets.
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