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re: Prince Charles suggested 'influx of foreign Jews' was to blame for Middle East unrest
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:34 pm to Collegedropout
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:34 pm to Collegedropout
Well...
He’s not wrong.
He’s not wrong.
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Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:35 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Dude, this is on every news site. How anybody could try to claim this is fake news is beyond fricking retarded.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:40 pm to Collegedropout
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Dude, this is on every news site. How anybody could try to claim this is fake news is beyond fricking retarded.
Don't see it on lets say BBC or Sky the major news in the UK.
If this is DM breaking a story its probably fake news. If DM is running a story that is being covered by other than its not.
Once again I don't disagree with the statement, but DM is known for fake news in the UK when breaking stories.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 3:56 pm to Collegedropout
Did he offer any insight into whether water is wet?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:09 pm to narddogg81
No just jumping in. Sorry to seem to be replying to you
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:28 pm to Collegedropout
He's not really wrong at all.
Britain botched the whole Palestine to Israel thing.
Britain botched the whole Palestine to Israel thing.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:31 pm to Big12fan
This. The coptics, Muslims and Semetic Jews got along just fine in the area. When the Ashkernazi and Sephardim Jews migrated in and wanted to rapidly construct western settlements, everything went to shite.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 4:31 pm to Napoleon
There's no clean hands in that conflict.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:46 pm to Collegedropout
Isn't the current state of Israel a creation of the British? 
ETA: already addressed. So sorry!
ETA: already addressed. So sorry!
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:47 pm to Collegedropout
Prince Charles needs to recognize that if the Brits had just followed through on their promised split of Palestine after wwi, there would have been no Holocaust, and likely there would not be the struggle over Israel that we saw in the 20th century. But instead they decided to give the promised Palestinian arab portion of Palestine (that east of the Jordan) to the control of their recently deposed wwi buddies who were just kicked out of what is now Saudi arabia, that land becoming the kingdom of jordan. Jordan is entirely populated with people culturally, ethnically, and genetically identical to the now so called Palestinians ( who are the descendents of the portion of Arabs in Israel who left when the Arab world attacked Israel at their founding and lost. Those people were not removed by the Israelis, they either left on their own to allow their Jewish neighbors to be killed, or were moved by the invading arab states to get them out of the way for a clear shot at exterminating some Jews). The entire Mideast mess is Britain's fault
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:48 pm to FooManChoo
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The Jews are enemies to Islam and they were relocated in the middle of a heavily Muslim region.
The Jews were in that part of the world LONG before Islam was even a religion.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:50 pm to FooManChoo
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That said, it's not the Jews' fault that they were escaping mass murder and they were given a swath of land to resettle in.
Didn't the Jews carry out a political campaign, and terrorist campaign, to get that land?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:51 pm to Collegedropout
This is the smartest thing he's ever said says everything he usually says is dumb and wrong.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:17 pm to Collegedropout
There's a small sliver of truth to it, but it's a ridiculous theory about the origin of instability in the Middle East. The instability was caused by the post-WWI rise of ethnic nationalism that replaced the Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman empires, carried on as it did everywhere with the post-WWII decolonialization of France and the U.K., and really only picked up a truly radical Islamic flavor with Soviet support for PLO terrorism in the 1960s.
The Jews were expelled from Judea by the Romans in the 2nd century, but they returned quickly and long had a presence. It's debatable from the 1840s to 1870s whether there were more Jews than Muslims in Jerusalem, but by 1880s the Jews started to take the lead. They got along so well before because they were all poor and living under the Ottoman Empire. There was ethnic resentments and hostilities that occurred largely because the European-based Jewish immigrants were economically successful, and thus developed the region to where it could (A) hold much more people, and (B) have a much higher per capita GDP than its surrounding areas.
That last part is the sliver of truth, but it's not as if it's a horrible thing that Western industries and technologies came to Israel.
The Jews were expelled from Judea by the Romans in the 2nd century, but they returned quickly and long had a presence. It's debatable from the 1840s to 1870s whether there were more Jews than Muslims in Jerusalem, but by 1880s the Jews started to take the lead. They got along so well before because they were all poor and living under the Ottoman Empire. There was ethnic resentments and hostilities that occurred largely because the European-based Jewish immigrants were economically successful, and thus developed the region to where it could (A) hold much more people, and (B) have a much higher per capita GDP than its surrounding areas.
That last part is the sliver of truth, but it's not as if it's a horrible thing that Western industries and technologies came to Israel.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:20 pm to FooManChoo
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That said, it's not the Jews' fault that they were escaping mass murder and they were given a swath of land to resettle in.
The Zionist movement didn't began after the Holocaust...
But there is a certain irony in the British blaming the unrest in the Middle East on foreign Jews when 1) the British are DIRECTLY responsible for gifting those foreign Jews Palestine and 2) the British and French divided the Middle East for their own imperialist interests and drew up arbitrary borders themselves.
The Middle East is a backwards shithole in general because Islam is a backwards, antiquated culture that doesn't mesh with modern Western culture/values. They aren't suited for the technological advances that were bestowed to them by advanced cultures because their podunk civilization didn't undergo the necessary cultural evolution that leads to such scientific advancements and responsible behavior. They have a shite ton of oil which means they became rich and important overnight yet made no cultural or scientific contributions to their own ascendance in wealth and global importance. So now they slaughter each other with tanks and guns and aircraft from foreign nations that they'd never have been able to create, design, assemble, and sustain if not for their newfound wealth that came from underneath their deserts.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:28 pm to Collegedropout
How in the hell is "Jewish Lobby" an anti-Semitic term?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:29 pm to KiwiHead
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I wonder if he realizes that Great Britain is directly responsible for the "influx" of Jews in the Middle East
Exactly
Posted on 11/14/17 at 6:32 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Nothing insults Jews more than calling them Jews.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:04 pm to narddogg81
The Palestinians were welcome in Jordan until that little coup back in the 70's when they attempted to overthrow the Jordanian government. The Palestinians repeatedly screwed themselves much more so than the Brits or Jews could ever hope to screw them.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:05 pm to Tiguar
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Nothing insults Jews more than calling them Jews.
Not really. I'm a Jew. Calling me a Jew is not an insult, but a source of pride and heritage. Why would that insult me?
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