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re: President's Authority to Declassify Does Not Extend to Nukes
Posted on 8/12/22 at 11:30 pm to 850SaintsGator
Posted on 8/12/22 at 11:30 pm to 850SaintsGator
850SaintsGator, you are what is wrong with this country. It isn’t the twisted politicians; it is the people that support those evil twisted politicians. And you are it (I don’t want to assume your pronoun). Many of those people do it because they make decisions purely on emotion, and are very influenced by what they see on TV. Some are true believers, and think what is happening in this country is good right now, and are just fricked in the head. I don’t know which camp you fall into.
Most people on the right just want to be left alone to live their lives and handle their own affairs. But you want to ram progressive policy down our throats and up our arse. And you act surprised that middle of the road and the right of center people don’t just go along with it.
Most people on the right just want to be left alone to live their lives and handle their own affairs. But you want to ram progressive policy down our throats and up our arse. And you act surprised that middle of the road and the right of center people don’t just go along with it.
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 11:50 pm to captdalton
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captdalton
Great read- you have completely missed the target - that’s fine
Outside of Biden (who was an anti Trump vote), i can’t think of a single “evil politician” I’ve supported
And for the record, i don’t want to ram anything up your arse
Posted on 8/12/22 at 11:56 pm to AUstar
Didn’t 60 Minutes go inside an active nuclear missile silo a few years ago? It showed our nuclear weapons systems pathetically use those big arse 1980’s floppy disk with green screen monitor’s and most of the locks on the doors didn’t work. There isn’t much that secret about those dinosaur weapons that will never ever be used.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:08 am to Bard
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They have no legitimate (nor legal) argument here.
You really need to read that case more carefully. It stands for the proposition that the Executive's decision to "classify" is broad. It doesn't address declassification. It just says that the President can decide what is classified and who doesn't get security clearance.
The two are obviously VERY different things, and this coupled with the fact that those agencies have declassification processes.
From your case:
Predictive judgment of this kind must be made by those with the necessary expertise in protecting classified information. For "reasons . . . too obvious to call for enlarged discussion," CIA v. Sims, 471 U. S. 159, 471 U. S. 170 (1985), the protection of classified information must be committed to the broad discretion of the agency responsible, and this must include broad discretion to determine who may have access to it. Certainly, it is not reasonably possible for an outside nonexpert body to review the substance of such a judgment and to decide whether the agency should have been able to make the necessary affirmative prediction with confidence. Nor can such a body determine what constitutes an acceptable margin of error in assessing the potential risk. The Court accordingly has acknowledged that, with respect to employees in sensitive positions,
"there is a reasonable basis for the view that an agency head who must bear the responsibility for the protection of classified information committed to his custody should have the final say in deciding whether to repose his trust in an employee who has access to such information."
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:08 am to Dday63
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One statute relates to the theft or destruction of government documents. Doesn't matter what type of documents
He didn’t box them up himself. The damn govt did and sent them to him. They also weren’t destroyed either, so toss this one out.
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The second is basically an obstruction ststute criminalizing the concealment or destruction of documents with the intent to obstruct an investigation or administration of any matter. Again. The nature of the documents is irrelevant.
Not destroyed and not concealed. Sitting in a locked closet with the FBI given full access to, which they then asked for and additional upgraded lock… toss that one too
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The espionage statute is the big one, and it broadly criminalized the unauthorized retention or disclosure of information relating to national defense
Again, the govt mailed them to him. They’re locked in a closet? No allegations other than wishful thinking that he disclosed them to anyone… toss this one too
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:10 am to oman
In other words, courts don't want to get in the way of a President keeping information safe from disclosure for the sake of national security. It doesn't follow that a court will view a President exposing confidential information to enemies (or just being sloppy with it) in the same light.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:12 am to AUstar
they are so full of the CCP inspired talking points.
nukes was hours ago. the document was released it is ESPIONAGE.
there is nothing that Trump had in his office of the President which he has every right to have and retain records. that has to do with nukes.
they are so stupid & desperate it isn't even a sad joke anymore.
nukes was hours ago. the document was released it is ESPIONAGE.
there is nothing that Trump had in his office of the President which he has every right to have and retain records. that has to do with nukes.
they are so stupid & desperate it isn't even a sad joke anymore.
This post was edited on 8/13/22 at 12:13 am
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:19 am to cajunangelle
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Not destroyed and not concealed.
Just for future reference, counselor, not providing documents pursuant to a subpoena can be concealment, as can pleading the 5th in a civil case.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:22 am to AUstar
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President's Authority to Declassify Does Not Extend to Nukes
That's nice. Wrong, but nice.
Regardless, there's little to no chance they got a warrant to retrieve documents about nukes and sat on it for multiple days before asking. Less chance that a judge would sign off on such a warrant and not consider it so unimportant that he gives them 2 weeks to execute it.
This post was edited on 8/13/22 at 9:27 am
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:31 am to 850SaintsGator
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Outside of Biden (who was an anti Trump vote), i can’t think of a single “evil politician” I’ve supported
10/4. At least you own it. You support everything that is happening now based on your vote. Thanks.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:44 am to oman
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Just for future reference, counselor, not providing documents pursuant to a subpoena can be concealment, as can pleading the 5th in a civil case.
And since the FBI was apparently allowed to examine all the documents in question in June, and this is no civil case, what the frick are you talking about?
I mean, using 8# test for trout fishing will get more bites; but 10# will land more. But it doesn’t have a damn thing to do with what we are talking about counselor.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:46 am to Dday63
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Everything he has done since election night confirms my belief he is unfit for office.
And you are proud of voting for him
Sad freak.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:48 am to 850SaintsGator
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Outside of Biden (who was an anti Trump vote), i can’t think of a single “evil politician” I’ve supported
One day if we meet, I’ll show you the err of your ways because you are an emotional bitch.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 1:44 am to AUstar
There is no nuclear documents, this is the bullshite narrative they are going with because they know they will not have to show what they took to the public. Trump had or they were worried he had damming documents about the current and former administrations.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 7:13 am to AUstar
While obuma and potato do/did all they do (edicts and all) the commies want to convince everyone that Trump is anti-American and evil
It is not amazing that fools continue to look for reasons to believe the commie globalists
Posted on 8/13/22 at 7:18 am to AUstar
They will get nothing on TRUMP. It will be a huge spectacle for a few years, and then go away after 2024 elections...
Just like J6, it is a Nega-Trump narrative that they discuss every day at their morning meetings!
Have you ever witnessed the infatuation of one man, ever! The DEMS are possessed by DONALD TRUMP.
Just like J6, it is a Nega-Trump narrative that they discuss every day at their morning meetings!
Have you ever witnessed the infatuation of one man, ever! The DEMS are possessed by DONALD TRUMP.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 7:18 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Internet lawyers are awesome. Before you start "tossing out" charges, maybe read the statutes along with any case law interpreting the statutes.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 7:21 am to boxcar willie
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might have some deal set up for them for sale to some 3rd world pukes or maybe his friends in Russia. With Trump who knows why but you can bet he has his rea$on$
I'm curious, is being this stupid painful?
Posted on 8/13/22 at 7:23 am to 850SaintsGator
You actually believe he has them. And that is a sad indictment on your reasoning ability.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 7:23 am to AUstar
Does the article talk about specific DOE clearances?
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