re: Presidential pardons should not be allowed any longer.....

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The entire government sucks

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Since DC protects their own, we need our politicians to have less power. Not more.

I am in favor of pardons for the January 6th patriots

Jeez, I opened a can of worms here.....

My post title may have been too final....The pardon process needs to be changed, IMO. One man, and a stroke of the pen, can remove a convicted criminal from jail, that is what I think is wrong, without any further checks and balances.

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Were you upset about it before this Hunter pardon?

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yes - should be restricted to remedial award for those who have demonstrated reformation in their confinement - or in cases of obvious mistreatment = and any pardon of close associates or family needs to be ratified by at least 2/3 of congress.

and executed prior to November

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That really isnt a tradeoff. Hunter being freed a thousand times doesnt stop people from being unjustly imprisoned.

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It's not supposed to be a trade-off. It's a guiding principle in legal theory. Our systems are designed to protect the innocent, not just to punish the guilty. The goal is to avoid wrongful convictions, even if it means some guilty individuals go free.

That means I'll tolerate the pardoning of 1000 pieces of shite so long as the ability of a decent President to pardon someone unjustly harmed remains.

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No, I don't agree with removing the pardon

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That's not what I asked you.

Try again.

I have no problem with pardons for something someone has been convicted of but a pardon that covers something not even investigated yet is straight bullshite

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They're all just political Ruling Class favors as far as I can see.

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Indeed.

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If I remember correctly, you don't vote for either major party POTUS candidate b/c no one—no one who has a chance to win, anyway—meets your moral criteria. Is that correct or do I have you confused with someone else?

If so, that's the flaw in your plan.

Our FFs designed a brilliant system. but they knew it only worked as long as society remained virtuous.

As John Adams famously said, "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

This would be one of the inclusions in our constitution that is "wholly inadequate" for the current people of the United States.

All you need do is look at how many posters preface their remarks with, "I would do the same thing if it were my son, but..."

You can't have a position with that kind of power when society has come to the point at which people casually think that it's no big deal to use it simply because of your selfish feelings for a family member.

I mean, you can, but you're not going to like what you're going to get.

Again, assuming I remember you correctly, you already can't find someone to vote for on moral grounds. "Vetting candidates" has already failed you, even apart from this question.

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Yes, I didn't vote for either major party's candidate for President, and due to the religious requirements that I have.

I wouldn't say that's necessarily a flaw in my plan as much as it is a flaw in how this nation as a whole vets candidates. We, as a nation, tend to vote based on pragmatic reasons with not much of a care for moral character. Instead of voting for candidates, we more and more vote against the other party and their candidate, utilizing the "lesser of two evils" approach most of the time (at least that's been my experience over the years).

If our nation doesn't care about more individual moral character, that's a problem with our nation. We should care about morality. If we aren't willing to do what is right instead of what is pragmatic, then of course we're going to continue to get candidates who are willing to abuse their authority and act as tyrants.

The power of the President to pardon is a Constitutional power, so if we are concerned about the Constitution not being sufficient because of the morality of the leaders (or the people), then certainly we should look to change it. However, another approach could be to seek better quality candidates and to be committed as a party to pushing moral reform in this country.