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re: Pres. Biden issues a statement calling for new gun legislation
Posted on 2/14/21 at 3:23 pm to TrueTiger
Posted on 2/14/21 at 3:23 pm to TrueTiger
quote:
you think criminals get checked when they steal them??
Where did I say this would do anything? I actually said that it’s virtue signally bullshite and won’t have any impact.
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Posted on 2/14/21 at 3:23 pm to fallguy_1978
If there is no registry, how will they even enforce private sales? They don’t know who owns guns at the moment. They won’t know when they change hands. A registry and confiscation is the end game.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 3:28 pm to billjamin
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That’s a bit dramatic considering we’re only referencing the universal background check part. I just don’t think that’s unreasonable.
There are a ton of issues with universal background checks. Mainly because the 4473 references the transaction as a transfer. So any transfer would require a 4473. So borrow, loaning, handing a firearm would require a 4473.
Want you dad to keep your hunting rifle while you are at college? 4473 to put it in their paperwork and another one when you use it. Every time. Inherited a firearm? Paperwork. A shop charges 25.00 per firearm and you inherited your family firearms, let’s say 30 total. 750.00 for you to get them. Or you can’t get them because any older than 25 years are no longer on the books and you can’t prove ownership. So now they go to the government to be destroyed.
Oh and with the way 4473s are now you de facto registered everything so now that yearly tax gets to hit too.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 3:34 pm to jimbeam
quote:
If there is no registry, how will they even enforce private sales? They don’t know who owns guns at the moment. They won’t know when they change hands. A registry and confiscation is the end game.
I won't register anything. I sold all of mine to some guy named Jim Beam in a Walmart parking lot, all completely legal. I suspect we might see an "assault weapons" ban at some point in the near future though.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 3:55 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
May as well hold BIC responsible for smokers lighting up and dying of cancer. Blame Diamond for their matches being used in arsons?
I smashed my thumb with a hammer the other day. Guess I'll sue Craftsman.
I smashed my thumb with a hammer the other day. Guess I'll sue Craftsman.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:00 pm to 56lsu
quote:
you fit in with alot of dumb trump folk on this board.
That’s rich coming from an absolute moron. You are one of the dumbest, most programmed posters here. Go cry more about Trump you sackless chump.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:09 pm to Shoalwater Cat
quote:
They did it with cigarettes
Because THEY didn't say they caused cancer, EVEN THOUGH EVERYINE KNEW THEY DID, that was the basis for STATE AGs (using plaintiff's attorneys) to sue their asses.
No gun manufacturer has ever claimed that the intended use of their product will not result in serious injury or death of someone.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:11 pm to Shoalwater Cat
quote:Yes they did, and it's a point worth considering. Let me say first of all that I opposed giving money to people who got sick from smoking cigarettes. They knew the risks, they smoked anyway.
They did it with cigarettes..
But to your point, I'd say that cigarettes serve no useful function in society other than personal pleasure. And again, if you want to smoke fine, but you shouldn't expect others to pay for your pleasure.
Guns, otoh, have many functions useful to individuals and society, such as hunting, self-protection, home protection, the defense of our nation, and law enforcement. We need guns in the hands of a wide range of people in order for an even wider range of people to live optimal lives. We don't need cigarettes to do so.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:22 pm to WhitewaterDawg
the programmed posters are the trump sheep. same b/s every day. makes a person think ya'll get together every day so all the b/s sounds the same.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:24 pm to SCLibertarian
quote:trying to overthrow government isn’t the intended use of guns either
in which I used the vehicle deviated from its intended use?
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:27 pm to 56lsu
The irony is lost on you. Ignorance is bliss. Rock on with your blissful self. Lol
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:28 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:
trying to overthrow government isn’t the intended use of guns either
Wanna bet?
Just ask Washington, Madison, Jefferson, Adams.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:30 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:
trying to overthrow government isn’t the intended use of guns either
that’s actually pretty false
It is the last check and balance against a tyrannical government, as outlined in the Bill of Rights
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:36 pm to billjamin
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The reasons for disqualification are not vague or unknown under the current structure, who’s saying anything about changing that?
We just got through with that exact episode, having the ATF on the precipice of making hundreds of thousands felons, simply by declaring a previously unregulated form of weapon illegal. So, by fiat, unelected bureaucrats decide whether you’re a felon. See the problem?
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:37 pm to Mellow Drama
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enact legislation mandating background checks on all gun sales,
There ARE background checks that have been in place for a long time.
Any person who wants to purchase a firearm LEGALLY must do so from a FFL(Federal Firearms License) holder.
The FFL seller MUST require the purchaser to fill out an ATF 4473 Form.
*The purchaser MUST present a valid government issued photo ID(hmm, one must have an ID to purchase a firearm BUT not to vote).
*The purchaser must list their current address, place of birth, and SSN.
*Plus there is a check-list that the purchaser must fill out.
Also on the ATF 4473 Form is the make, model and serial number of the firearm that is purchased by the buyer.
**This does not apply to individual transactions, like someone passing a firearm onto an other family member, friend or two individuals conducting a private exchange/sale.
**Some states are NOW requiring these type transactions must done through a FFL holder(California, New Jersey, Nevada, Colorado...)
Once all the requirements are met on the 4473 form, the seller runs this through to the FBIs
NICS(National Instant Criminal Background Check System).
If the 'background' check comes back clean, the person is allowed to purchase the said firearm.
***THIS IS A FEDERAL BACKGROUND CHECK***
Now, here is a HUGE kicker. The selling FFL MUST retain all NICS records for 20 years. Those that are rejected, the seller must keep those records on file for 5 years.
Now this is ultimate kick in the balls to our freedoms.
The ATF can request these records ANY TIME they deem necessary.
So in reality, there is a national firearm registry in place that the federal government has on EACH and EVERY legal firearm sell that has/is done through a licensed FFL.
This post was edited on 2/14/21 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:39 pm to SmellslikeKevinBacon
Does Biden really think he can hide behind a bunch of fat national guard POGs like a dictator? LOL.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:39 pm to Ross
quote:you could also say guns are a check and balance against capitalistic greed
that’s actually pretty false
It is the last check and balance against a tyrannical government, as outlined in the Bill of Rights
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:42 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Holding manufacturers liable for shootings is a truly terrifying precedent.
Do we hold car manufactures for auto accidents/deaths....
Do we hold alcohol manufacturers for DWI accidents....
Do we hold farmers for obesity.....
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:42 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:
trying to overthrow government isn’t the intended use of guns either
It is the expressed intended use of guns in the Second Amendment, Einstein. Read it.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 4:45 pm to SmellslikeKevinBacon
Remember the dumbasses on here saying they were voting for Biden because they believed he was a moderate who wouldn’t mess with 2nd amendment right? Where are those fools?
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