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re: Pornography is not conservative
Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:55 pm to Flats
Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:55 pm to Flats
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Can I have an orgy on the sidewalk, right outside to an elementary school? Muh freedoms, right?
No, but we can have an intellectually honest conversation without reducing everything to its absurd logical extreme.
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Everybody wants some morality legislated. Everybody. We can disagree on where to draw the line, fine. Pretending one side doesn't draw it at all is fundamentally dishonest.
And yet, in this thread we are discussing specific aspects of morality unique to the modern Christian right--not "all morality" generally. Of course you know that already, but kudos on the semantic point.
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:58 pm to kingbob
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I was merely pointing out that individuals are capable of nuance. I’m trying to show that an individual who disagrees with social conservatives on some issues can still be a valuable ally on many others.
Yeah my bad, my response was more to squids response to your response and asking why i cant hold other conservative positions but also not give a flying frick if two dudes get married.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 3:59 pm to Flats
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Everybody wants some morality legislated.
True, but not "everyone" wants to control the behavior of others when no one is being harmed and all parties are consenting.
You seem to be conflating that with merely having laws controlling behavior.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 4:06 pm to anc
Banning consenting adults from pursuing their own interests certainly isn't conservative.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 4:36 pm to shinerfan
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Banning consenting adults from pursuing their own interests certainly isn't conservative.
Why not? Conservatives try to "conserve" traditional values. It's relative to whatever culture you're referencing, sure, but conservative values in this country have traditionally taken stances against certain sexual behavior.
It wouldn't allow them to be libertarian, but I don't think that's a label many religious types here care to hold.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 4:43 pm to Azkiger
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Conservatives try to "conserve" traditional values.
Liberty is also a traditional conservative value in American politics. Don’t impute mid-20th century religious conservatism onto all conservatives.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 4:48 pm to Indefatigable
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I would love to hear how marijuana decriminalization offends your Christian morality. If it truly does, I can only assume you take the same position on alcohol.
That was rhetorical tongue in cheek using extremes to make a larger point regarding disparities I perceive in subordinating Christian morality to larger “common cause” notions of morality to resist government compulsion where the State forces morality of one type or another on groups or individuals who disagree or do not share the government notion of morality. The subordination often seems to go one way with Christian morality asked to sit quietly in the back of the bus while their country conducts an unparalleled slaughter of 68,000,000 innocents (and counting) for profit and justified as a “right” conferred by our Constitution.
My Christian morality is not offended by individuals’ consumption of alcohol or marijuana. Insofar as I can tell, neither are clearly sinful, though overindulgence to the point of being “drunk” may well be. How overindulgence to incapacitation with marijuana will be determined is unclear to me. I guess we can trust the “science” like with everything else.
Personally, I believe marijuana should probably be legalized and treated like alcohol. Regulated for standards and purity and taxed.
Unfortunately the retail establishments will likely have to purchase from a state agency warehouse and pay an additional 25% to 50% tax above cost of product and be heavily licensed and taxed to participate in the marketplace.
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What exactly is it that you want libertarians to do about abortion?
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Actions that directly hamper another person's natural rights to life, liberty, property, etc.
You’ve answered your own question in my mind.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 4:52 pm to Indefatigable
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Liberty is also a traditional conservative value in American politics. Don’t impute mid-20th century religious conservatism onto all conservatives.
Touché.
Banning (as the other poster phrased) wouldn't be conservative, but I think looking down one's nose at such behavior would be conservative. I doubt the generation of the founding fathers viewed sexuality the way it's viewed today.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 5:04 pm to kingbob
quote:I share many of your opinions as it turns out.
I favor marijuana legalization, and I’m anti-abortion. That fetus is a human person who does not consent to being murdered.
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…that addiction itself should not be criminal while the actions used to fuel said addiction (stealing, squatting, etc) should be.
It’s a problem though because despite diminished capacity through addiction impaired consent, it also drove illegal actions. It’s a tough knot to untie and maintain compassion, mercy, and justice at the same time.
Edit: Battery going. Gotta recharge and shift to pad.
This post was edited on 7/28/21 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 7/28/21 at 5:12 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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With EVERYTHING we currently have going on in an attempt to destroy our country, we're running around giving purity tests to people that actually WANT to help?
The genie is out of the bottle friend. It's over. :(
Posted on 7/28/21 at 5:25 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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It’s a tough knot to untie and maintain compassion, mercy, and justice at the same time.
Agreed. I just buried my cousin a few weeks ago who lost his life to a drug overdose after being an addict in and out of prison for two decades. He was only like 33. When he was a teen, he got busted for burglary, stealing to pay his dealer.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 5:56 pm to Indefatigable
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We're asking you to stop your drive to have your morality forced upon others.
I’m not sure what in particular you’re thinking about. The Trump porn star?
Wasn’t the organization within their rights to not want her around? Maybe question her motives and sincerity?
It’s not big news that there’s a goodly number of people out there who think porn generally portrays a distorted view of human sexuality and exploits and degrades women and men and that it may be highly addictive and potentially harmful. There’s probably some links to research on those matters for those willing to look. Some people took a stand and decided the woman was not a sound choice as a conservative poster girl.
How is that keeping her from living her life as she pleases? Or you, or anyone? They’re not forcing her or you to go to church or stop doing or watching porn.
Posted on 7/28/21 at 6:00 pm to kingbob
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I just buried my cousin a few weeks ago
I’m sorry for your loss. I’ve had several similar experiences. It’s always very tough. My condolences.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:37 pm to Mo Jeaux
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We get it. You love porn.
As I said, only the amateur stuff your mom sends me.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:42 pm to squid_hunt
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You build some really weird straw men.
One of us does, but it's not me.
What you spent those minutes typing out has almost nothing to do with anything I said.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:45 pm to squid_hunt
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Libertarian opinions aren't really relevant.
They are if Republicans wish to win many more elections.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 8:06 am to anc
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Actually, with those dirty movies, I find like, they're good for about fifteen, twenty minutes. I'm really interested. And, then, uh, there's one point, that all of a sudden I'm bored. You know? I just lose interest completely and I feel deeply ashamed.
-Norm MacDonald
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