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re: Pope, we must avoid rigid ideologies
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:20 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:20 am to FooManChoo
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Again, this was a decision made by the Apostles and elders, not by one man. But regardless, Peter didn’t have primacy in the text that was provided to support his primacy.
So you agree. The church makes these decisions not Revelator.
Again you honesty is leading you in the right direction.
You and Revelator have nothing in common.
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Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:27 am to Guntoter1
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So you agree. The church makes these decisions not Revelator. Again you honesty is leading you in the right direction. You and Revelator have nothing in common.
You seem to be suffering from a case of RDS
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:30 am to Revelator
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You seem to be suffering from a case of RDS
Yes I am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:31 am to Tesla
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My favorite part of the nativity story is when Jesus is baptized as a child
You mean the Jesus that was born a Jew under the Davidic covenant, and so was under the Mosaic law of circumcision and not baptism (the new circumcision according to Paul)? That Jesus?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:34 am to Stitches
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You mean the Jesus that was born a Jew under the Davidic covenant, and so was under the Mosaic law of circumcision and not baptism (the new circumcision according to Paul)? That Jesus?
Boom ! There it is
Paul’s words. Baptism replaced circumcision which is performed on infants.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:35 am to Revelator
You think I give a crap about the pope? That man is the furthest away from God and the closest to the devil. From the moment they created the Apocropha which are seven books created apart from God I was done with them. The whole thing is a display. He is no better than me or you or anyone on this planet. In my opinion, he is worse. Turn and walk with God, pray daily, witness to other about his greatness. Faith in him is what saves you NOT some man in a pointed hat telling you he knows what is best. Especially, when he is orchestrated by the elites.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:41 am to Revelator
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Pope, we must avoid rigid ideologies
So I guess he's opposed to that whole "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" thing.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:45 am to Pu2kph0
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This guy is the antichrist. I’m a Catholic and he has driven more Catholics away from the church than any enemy could have.
With all due respect, how can you still be Catholic? The doctrine of papal infallibility is central to Catholic teaching...yet you say he's the antichrist. You've just indicted your whole religion as being fraudulent. How can you continue to be a member of a religion that you yourself have indicted as basically perpetuating a false doctrine that is central to its core?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:46 am to Stitches
quote:We actually don't know who spoke first. the Bible doesn't say who spoke first, but that Peter spoke "after there had been much debate". So there was already a lot of talking going on by that point, so I don't see how it was Peter who decided the substance of the debate. In fact, the substance of the debate was given to us in verse 5 when some believers in the church were saying "It is necessary to circumcise [the Gentile believers] and to order them to keep the law of Moses." Verse 6 says that the Apostles and elders were gathered to discuss "this matter" (referring back to verse 5). So the text already set the stage for the reader by providing the substance of the debate.
t was Peter who first spoke and decided the substance of the debate (Acts 15:7-11).
James' speech was a pastoral proposal, but Peter's was a doctrinal declaration. So Peter stated what is the topic being discussed, and James offers considerations for approval.
Also, James does most of the speaking, because the Council was held in Jerusalem....James was the Bishop of Jerusalem
Peter brought the truth of God to bear on the conversation, though, (including good biblical doctrines of election, regeneration, sanctification, and faith-based justification), which should be expected since Christ continued to build His church through Peter and the other Apostles.
What's most interesting to me about your statement that James having an apparent primacy due to him being the bishop of Jerusalem is that Peter is supposed to have the primacy of all the bishops (which is simply the Greek word for Elder). It seems that you're saying that James spoke the most and made the proposal of how to address the situation because of his position, which seems to contradict the Catholic position of the primacy of Peter among both the Apostles as well as among the bishops (which applies to the view of succession and the primacy of the Roman bishop). James had the final recorded word in this particular text, and the Apostles and elders agreed with his counsel (even James didn't decide anything but the representatives of the church made the decision together).
But back to my original point: the statement that Peter spoke and the matter was concluded is factually incorrect, as I was attempting to point out. The text doesn't give a primacy to Peter in this passage, either. To say more about it than the passage says is to import tradition into the text.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:46 am to BamaCoaster
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guess truth has to morph with the times?! No, but religion/church does.
That makes no sense. If you are to believe in God and His Word then it is absolute. You don’t change the rules to suit yourself. That’s the very definition of Heresy
The current pope is a false prophet who does not follow the teachings of God
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:49 am to Pu2kph0
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This guy is the antichrist.
Nah. Scripture states the antichrist will be well liked and fool many people
Nobody likes this a-hole.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:50 am to BamaGradinTn
So let’s review again. Over the last few days foomanchoo has admitted (with his own words I might add)
1. The church makes the final decision in councils.
2 infant baptism is biblical (St Paul’s words)
3. The Catholic Church made right decision when it chose the Septuagint for the Old Testament(not the Masoretic text that the Protestants chose.
4. Protestant views are novel (new inventions of man)
1. The church makes the final decision in councils.
2 infant baptism is biblical (St Paul’s words)
3. The Catholic Church made right decision when it chose the Septuagint for the Old Testament(not the Masoretic text that the Protestants chose.
4. Protestant views are novel (new inventions of man)
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:50 am to Guntoter1
quote:I know you're picking on Rev because he's been quick to call out the errors of the Roman tradition, but in my worthless opinion, I'd suggest you spend more time on arguments and less time calling out the person doing the arguing.
Indeed.
Because they all agreed on the solution.
The same is true today. The church always has councils to decide disputes.
Sometimes Peter is wrong such as when Paul confronted Peter and the church along with Peter correct the error.
None of them ever called Revelator for his opinion.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:52 am to Revelator
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The fact that the Pope’s words need clarification is a problem
This has been the case since Vatican II and especially since the promulgation of the Novus Ordo Missae. This is the church of ambiguity and contradiction, just the way the globalist overlords like it.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:55 am to Guntoter1
quote:Yes, the church made the decision. Acts 15 is the #1 proof text for the Presbyterian form of church government. I differ from many on this site in that regard because I don't adhere to an episcopalian form of government (like Catholics) or a congregationalist form of governments (like most Baptists).
So you agree. The church makes these decisions not Revelator.
Again you honesty is leading you in the right direction.
You and Revelator have nothing in common.
I believe what I believe because I believe the Scriptures teach it. If I hold the truth, it's only by the grace of God by His word. If I am in error, I pray that God would convince me of it so I would have greater purity of belief and practice.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:57 am to FooManChoo
The article I linked clearly demonstrates biblical support for the notion of the Primacy of Peter and all of Christianity agreed with this for over Fifteen Centuries before man invented Protestants.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:58 am to BamaCoaster
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It means that as times change, so does religion/church.
Not sure how this can even be a controversial statement.
Are the churches the same as you grew up in?
Churches may not be the same in what the practice. God, however, never changes.
For example...when Scripture forbids woman from having authority over man in the church, part of the basis for that is the fact that woman sinned first in the garden. In other words...he goes back thousands of years to the very beginning of time to base that commandment on. Churches may choose to ignore what the Scripture teaches about the subject, or try to rationalize their more "modern" practices, but neither Scripture nor God changes. Ever.
If your read the Scripture, you'll see that God absolutly abhors homosexuality. And one thing we also know from Scripture is that God doesn't change.
This whole notion that the Pope or the church can "bless" someone who willfully chooses to live a life that Scripture says is abominable is just utterly bizarre.
Did I miss something? In this whole conversation about blessing homosexuals, did he demand that they repent, as Jesus demanded of sinners?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:59 am to BamaGradinTn
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This whole notion that the Pope or the church can "bless" someone who willfully chooses to live a life that Scripture says is abominable is just utterly bizarre.
Have you read what the Catechism says about it? That hasn't changed.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:02 am to deltaland
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The current pope is a false prophet who does not follow the teachings of God
Then the whole of Catholicism is a false religion.
He IS the Pope. The Catholic Church chose him in accordance with their doctrine and teachings.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:03 am to Champagne
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Have you read what the Catechism says about it? That hasn't changed.
Why doesn’t the Vicar of Christ adhere to his own catechism?
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