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Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:46 am to ronricks
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No entity on planet earth has done more to advance and normalize Homosexuality and Homosexual sex/rape than the Catholic Church
Ah...the ignorance of the simple-minded and hate-filled hearts.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:47 am to Champagne
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Ahh, the daily Catholic Hate thread on Tigerdroppings!
I’ve said this often and I’ll say it again. I don’t hate Catholic people, and have many friends and family who are Catholics. I find many to be faithful and God loving.
I have problems with the theology of the RCC and their insistence they hold all Biblical truth.
Oh, and the Mary worship that runs rampant in its church
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 9:54 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:48 am to Dirk Dawgler
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You have nothing to reach for as a comparison to the truth of biblical scripture so you decide to go ahead and present a list of things that are not biblically presented as truth in scripture?
I wasn’t speaking about anything biblical.
Was simply talking about man’s perception of the truth.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:50 am to Revelator
But muh papal infallibility
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:52 am to RollTide1987
quote:That's not what happened at all. You act as if Peter was the Pope of the council but the text doesn’t read that way at all.
I mean...there kind of is. Acts 15 is pretty explicit. There is a huge disagreement in the Church over the need for circumcision to be a Christian. Paul didn't think it to be needed but there was clearly division amongst the earliest followers of Christianity on this question because they needed to convene a council to address this specific question. Paul says his peace, the Judaizers say theirs, and then Peter gets up to deliver his verdict against the need for circumcision. The matter is concluded after that and there is absolutely no more discussion to be had on the subject.
After Peter’s speech, Paul and Barnabus gave their evidence and then finally James spoke and made a judgment about what should be done and the council (which is very Presbyterian, mind you) went with James’ advice.
Peter wasn’t the last to speak. If anyone could be viewed as the Pope of the council, it should be James. But it was a decision made by the Apostles and elders together, not a decision by one man.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:52 am to themunch
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No one is hating on Catholics. I have not seen that once.
This is what is wrong with the entirety of our society. If you disagree you must hate it. Where did this come from? It is prevalent in all things discussed on this board. All the forums.
It is very subtle hate because it's always by Protestants who use mass media articles to bash the Catholics. It's done on a daily basis and it's done by Protestants who have posted on this very board that they hate the Catholic Church. Revelator is an ex Catholic and he has stated that he hates the RCC - on this board.
This hate always comes in the manner of mischaracterization of what Catholics believe and promote. They are lying because what the RCC believes is written in the Catechism. The Pope cannot unilaterally change the Catechism.
If people truly want to believe what the RCC believes, they can find it at this link in the Catechism.
LINK
Catholic Answers magazine is also a great resource.
LINK
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:54 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:57 am to Champagne
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It is very subtle hate because it's always by Protestants who use mass media articles to bash the Catholics. It's done on a daily basis and it's done by Protestants who have posted on this very board that they hate the Catholic Church. Revelator is an ex Catholic and he has stated that he hates the RCC - on this board.
The RCC considers me a heretic. Is that not stronger than me posting articles challenging Catholic views?
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 9:58 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:59 am to Champagne
quote:The perpetual primacy is not. But regardless of all that, Acts 15 isn’t the place to support it.
The Primacy of Peter is abundantly established in the Bible
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:00 am to FooManChoo
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Peter wasn’t the last to speak. If anyone could be viewed as the Pope of the council, it should be James. But it was a decision made by the Apostles and elders together, not a decision by one man.
This partially correct because the council was in Jerusalem where James was the bishop. Even though Peter was the final authority.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:03 am to FooManChoo
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That's not what happened at all. You act as if Peter was the Pope of the council but the text doesn’t read that way at all.
After Peter’s speech, Paul and Barnabus gave their evidence and then finally James spoke and made a judgment about what should be done and the council (which is very Presbyterian, mind you) went with James’ advice.
Peter wasn’t the last to speak. If anyone could be viewed as the Pope of the council, it should be James. But it was a decision made by the Apostles and elders together, not a decision by one man.
It was Peter who first spoke and decided the substance of the debate (Acts 15:7-11).
James' speech was a pastoral proposal, but Peter's was a doctrinal declaration. So Peter stated what is the topic being discussed, and James offers considerations for approval.
Also, James does most of the speaking, because the Council was held in Jerusalem....James was the Bishop of Jerusalem.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:03 am to Guntoter1
quote:Again, this was a decision made by the Apostles and elders, not by one man. But regardless, Peter didn’t have primacy in the text that was provided to support his primacy.
This partially correct because the council was in Jerusalem where James was the bishop. Even though Peter was the final authority.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:05 am to Revelator
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Is that not stronger than me posting articles challenging Catholic views?
Why do you misrepresent what the Pope or the Church is doing when you start this kind of thread? You misinterpret and twist and put forth a conclusion that puts Catholics in the worst possible light. You never bring up the counter argument. You never question your mass media source.
You are at war with the Catholics and their Faith. You are at ideological war. That's why you can't lead a reasoned conversation.
This most recent urge from the Pope to avoid rigid ideologies could simply be urging the bishops to provide those blessings that he mentioned earlier. But did you present that idea? No. Your attack is meant to foster the idea that the Pope wants to make the Roman Catholic Church the most Queer Church on Earth.
You and Foo are here to make war on the Catholic Church, period. Both of you condemn the theology of the Church. Neither of you are Catholics and yet you post here all about Catholics - and always in the same vein - that Catholicism is bad.
You never talk about YOUR religion or YOUR church. We don't even know about YOUR particular congregation because you only post to bash Catholics.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:05 am to RollTide1987
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Ah...the ignorance of the simple-minded and hate-filled hearts.
How many children have become Homosexuals because of the being raped and conditioned that it is ‘normal’? This has been going on since the beginning of time. Tell me how I am wrong? Catholic priests have been doing this for thousands upon thousands of years. It’s sick.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:09 am to FooManChoo
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Again, this was a decision made by the Apostles and elders, not by one man.
Indeed.
Because they all agreed on the solution.
The same is true today. The church always has councils to decide disputes.
Sometimes Peter is wrong such as when Paul confronted Peter and the church along with Peter correct the error.
None of them ever called Revelator for his opinion.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:10 am to ronricks
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Catholic priests have been doing this for thousands upon thousands of years. It’s sick.
Damn.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:12 am to Stitches
Peter nowhere claims supremacy over the other apostles. Nowhere in his writings (1 and 2 Peter) did the Apostle Peter claim any special role, authority, or power over the church. Nowhere in Scripture does Peter, or any other apostle, state that their apostolic authority would be passed on to successors. Yes, the Apostle Peter had a leadership role among the disciples. Yes, Peter played a crucial role in the early spread of the gospel (Acts chapters 1-10). However, these truths about Peter in no way give support to the concept that Peter was the first pope, or that he was the “supreme leader” over the apostles, or that his authority would be passed on to the bishops of Rome. Peter himself points us all to the true Shepherd and Overseer of the church, the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Peter 2:25).
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:15 am to Champagne
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Why do you misrepresent what the Pope or the Church is doing when you start this kind of thread? You misinterpret and twist and put forth a conclusion that puts Catholics in the worst possible light. You never bring up the counter argument.
First, I simply posted what the Pope said, and what most people would construe by his words.
Secondly, why would it be my place to present the Catholic counterargument?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:17 am to Champagne
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I agree with you that the Prots were wrong to change those things.
My favorite part of the nativity story is when Jesus is baptized as a child.
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