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Pope, we must avoid rigid ideologies
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:16 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:16 am
PBS
Seems like the Pope is doubling down and is a big fan of situational ethics.
I guess truth has to morph with the times?!
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Pope Francis urged Vatican bureaucrats Thursday to avoid “rigid ideological positions” that prevent them from understanding today’s reality, an appeal made days after he formally allowed priests to bless same-sex couples in a radical change of Vatican policy. Speaking in the Hall of Blessings, Francis told them it was important to keep advancing and growing in their understanding of the truth. Fearfully sticking to rules may give the appearance of avoiding problems but only ends up hurting the service that the Vatican Curia is called to give the church, he said.
Seems like the Pope is doubling down and is a big fan of situational ethics.
I guess truth has to morph with the times?!
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 6:18 am
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Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:18 am to Revelator
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guess truth has to morph with the times?!
No, but religion/church does.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:20 am to BamaCoaster
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No, but religion/church does.
What does this even mean?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:21 am to Revelator
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Seems like the Pope is doubling down and is a big fan of situational ethics.
This guy is the antichrist. I’m a Catholic and he has driven more Catholics away from the church than any enemy could have.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:25 am to Revelator
He needs to be burned at the stake. He is a heretic. The Church hierarchy needs to step up and remove this scumbag
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:26 am to Pu2kph0
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This guy is the antichrist. I’m a Catholic and he has driven more Catholics away from the church than any enemy could have.
I’m always told by Catholics that the scriptures has only one distinct interpretation, and that’s only what the RCC decides it means.
Yet, their own Pope seems to imply they are malleable.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 6:27 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:36 am to Revelator
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Yet, their own Pope seems to imply they are malleable.
I mean...he was pretty clear in the document that the Vatican released this past week:
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Therefore, rites and prayers that could create confusion between what constitutes marriage — which is the “exclusive, stable, and indissoluble union between a man and a woman, naturally open to the generation of children”— and what contradicts it are inadmissible. This conviction is grounded in the perennial Catholic doctrine of marriage; it is only in this context that sexual relations find their natural, proper, and fully human meaning. The Church’s doctrine on this point remains firm.
However, it is always possible for an otherwise orthodox document to be vague and open to the the twisting and misinterpretation of heterodoxical clergymen such as Father James Martin. We saw that in the aftermath of the First Council of Nicaea all the way back in AD 325. The Church was very clear on the theology of the Trinity coming out of that council and yet Arian heretics were able to use the original form of the Nicene Creed for their own designs. It wasn't until the Council of Constantinople in AD 381 that the Church finally took away all ambiguities in regards to the theology of the Trinity. While Arianism remains in some form or fashion to this day, it has largely died out.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:40 am to Revelator
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Seems like the Pope is doubling down and is a big fan of situational ethics.
Seems like a highly picked over speech from a news organization that, like the others, is hell-bent on creating division where there shouldn’t be.
I can’t think of many publications put out and translated by The Vatican in their entirety that have been particularly questionable under him.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:44 am to Hopeful Doc
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Seems like a highly picked over speech from a news organization that, like the others, is hell-bent on creating division where there shouldn’t be.
Look how many people are playing into it. We’ve had pages and pages of threads of Catholics fighting about this.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:48 am to Revelator
He is on Epsteins “client list” and being black mailed.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:52 am to RollTide1987
Spot on. Adding to this, Cardinal Fernandez further clarified the original document (which he wrote) a couple days ago.
"It is necessary to distinguish well, and the declaration makes this distinction. Couples are blessed. The union is not blessed, for the reasons that the declaration repeatedly explains about the true meaning of Christian marriage and sexual relations.
For those who read the text serenely and without ideological prejudices, it is clear that there is no change on the doctrine of marriages and on the objective valuation of sexual acts outside the only kind of marriage which exists - male-female, exclusive, indissoluble, naturally open to the concept of new life."
So many Catholics want so badly to become Protestant.
"It is necessary to distinguish well, and the declaration makes this distinction. Couples are blessed. The union is not blessed, for the reasons that the declaration repeatedly explains about the true meaning of Christian marriage and sexual relations.
For those who read the text serenely and without ideological prejudices, it is clear that there is no change on the doctrine of marriages and on the objective valuation of sexual acts outside the only kind of marriage which exists - male-female, exclusive, indissoluble, naturally open to the concept of new life."
So many Catholics want so badly to become Protestant.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 6:53 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:52 am to RollTide1987
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he was pretty clear
Until he isn’t
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:54 am to Hopeful Doc
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Seems like a highly picked over speech from a news organization that, like the others, is hell-bent on creating division where there shouldn’t be.
So what do you think the Pope means when he says,” we can’t hold on to rigid ideologies?”
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:54 am to Revelator
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What does this even mean?
It means that this pope is a false pope.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:56 am to Stitches
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Cardinal Fernandez further clarified the original document
The fact that the Pope’s words need clarification is a problem.
Reminds me of when Biden says something, then his staff comes in to tell us he didn’t really mean what he said.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 6:57 am to Stitches
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So many Catholics want so badly to become Protestant.
So what’s preventing them?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 7:00 am to Revelator
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So what do you think the Pope means when he says,” we can’t hold on to rigid ideologies?”
1) I don’t think he stood up, delivered that cryptic message, and sat down
2) I think he delivered a long speech and, in context, there are probably plenty of ways that make sense.
3) he has no power to change ideology in an encyclical without some huge divine revelation or something that’s been very unclear for ages being clarified (can’t really think of a case where these words would apply here), so I’m actually not that interested in what he said, because as you’ll notice, the Church isn’t making announcements of broad-sweeping changes, so whatever he said probably generally affirmed 2000 years of teachings. Unfortunately, for most, The Pope is Catholic.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 7:01 am to Revelator
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The fact that the Pope’s words need clarification is a problem.
A snippet from a broad speech by a (secular) news organization that is translated from its original language needing clarification and context is a problem?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 7:01 am to Revelator
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So what do you think the Pope means when he says,” we can’t hold on to rigid ideologies?”
He answers this in the article you posted. He stated that since Vatican 2, the church has been divided between conservatives and progressives, but should instead be united as two lovers who have lost the flame, but are always striving to listen to one another and to others so they can evolve to truly offer service to the Catholic Church. In other words, fight for truth, not preconceived rigid ideologies.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 7:01 am to Revelator
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The fact that the Pope’s words need clarification is a problem. Reminds me of when Biden says something, then his staff comes in to tell us he didn’t really mean what he said.
“When God told Adam to be fruitful and multiply, he meant butt sex with other men. Sodom and Gomorrah were victims of global warming caused by evil capitalists.”
When can we expect the Council of Las Vegas to convene?
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