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re: Pope, we must avoid rigid ideologies

Posted on 12/24/23 at 10:41 am to
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 10:41 am to
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Original movement to free the slaves was by groups tied to Christianity.

So you’re saying that Christians once thought slavery was okay, but then they changed their minds and decided it wasn’t okay?

Yeah, like I said, over time, the truth is revealed.
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 10:46 am to
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I guess truth has to morph with the times?!


It changes all the time. Or did you tell your bank that you get a 0% mortgage because interest is a sin?
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:10 am to
I believe St. Augustine was the first major Christian whose writings survive that show an obvious anti-slavery bent. He wrote in City of God (published in AD 426) that slavery was contrary to God's intentions and a direct result of sin.
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 11:11 am
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:20 am to
Here's an article that explains the Pope's motives on the issue of avoiding any rigid ideology that requires the shunning of LGBT+ people.

LINK

I personally don't agree with the Pope's methods here, but, I do not care to see the RCC engage in shunning LGBT people.
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 11:22 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:23 am to
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So you’re saying that Christians once thought slavery was okay


Some did, some didnt.

But most reformers were Christian. That sucks for you marxists.
Posted by TTOWN RONMON
Member since Oct 2023
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:49 pm to
No, he is not the A.C. or F.P. as a preacher, man called by God unto Prophecy nigh 40 years, he is just another illogical evil liberal. Nothing more nothing less.

Dan. 8:9 mandates the A.C. has to be born in Greece because of the directions he conquers from in the four generals territories. (from the Northwest) He also has to come to political prominence from the fourth beasts head (E.U.) and Greece is in the E.U.

The False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest gone rogue just like Jason (Real name Yeshua) under Antiochus Epiphanes IV.

Yes, hes evil, but many people and preacher types are. Everyone can't be the Anti-Christ. Obama was, remember? So was Reagan, etc. etc.
Posted by TTOWN RONMON
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:56 pm to
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It means that as times change, so does religion/church.
Not sure how this can even be a controversial statement.
Are the churches the same as you grew up in?
Has their message changed?
What about in the 1800’s?

The message of church changes with time. If not, they would go extinct.



This is nonsensical, God never changes. So, if men leading churches change they are not of God but evil. I n other words if you think you can say God forgive me and then be a person who advocates for abortion & homosexual marriage and God will be deceived by a heart like that you are sadly mistaken, that person who advocates for such is not ever going to make it to heaven unless they repent. This means ANYONE, Period. Don't kid youself.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 8:26 pm to
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Some did, some didnt.

Love your master, Roger, love your master.
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you marxists.

You don't even know what a marxist is.
Posted by evil cockroach
27.98N // 86.92E
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 8:30 pm to
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we must avoid rigid ideologies


“Doctor , my wife is about to die”

“Yea, but there’s a 0.000001% chance the baby will live. And if both die, it must be God’s will.”

Sounds to me that our Holy Father is being practical.
Posted by Larry_Hotdogs
Texas
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 8:31 pm to
They are playing the long game.
Posted by bleedpg
Hot Springs Village, Arkansas
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 8:51 pm to
I don’t like this pope but the narrative that the media is saying about what the pope officially said in his document about blessings is not true at all. Stop believing the main stream media. They lie
Posted by bleedpg
Hot Springs Village, Arkansas
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 9:02 pm to
I have a feeling that a lot of my fellow Christian’s are actually doing the devils work for him. The msm is misleading on the actual reading of what the pope said about blessings. I would suggest you all checkout Michael lofton on youtube (reason and theology). I’m not a fan of this pope but there’s a lot of misleading in the media.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 10:30 pm to
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The fact that the Pope’s words need clarification is a problem. Reminds me of when Biden says something, then his staff comes in to tell us he didn’t really mean what he said.


Do you see any correlation between what you just described here and what is in the Bible? Is the fact that the Bible needs “clarification” not a problem. When god says many times that he deceives people, that he becomes a lying spirit in the mouth of prophets, and that the scribes described their prophets as being deceived by God, but elsewhere in the same Bible it says God cannot tell a lie, is that not a problem?

Is the reality that biblical hermeneutics exist not a problem? Why couldn’t god just tell us what he wanted to know without us needing an interpreter like President shite for brains? A perfect book inspired by a perfect god wouldn’t need an interpretation much less resolution of contradictions.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 10:36 pm to
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I don’t like this pope but the narrative that the media is saying about what the pope officially said in his document about blessings is not true at all. Stop believing the main stream media. They lie


Revelator is an ex-Catholic who absolutely despises the Catholic Church. He's at war with the RCC. He will gladly amplify any negative info here on this board concerning the RCC.

Meanwhile he hides behind his own Protestant Baptist religion, never again admitting he's a Baptist, in order to avoid scrutiny of his own beliefs.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35576 posts
Posted on 12/24/23 at 10:38 pm to
False prophet piece of shite. He will be struck down first.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 10:55 pm to
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Why couldn’t god just tell us what he wanted to know without us needing an interpreter


He literally did. That’s literally the story of Jesus. There are entire sections of the gospels dedicated to different priests and lawyers and religious sects of the day trying to trip up Jesus with man’s interpretation of God’s laws and Jesus is there every time with a brilliant and perfect answer that remains as relevant today as it was then.

And then after Jesus ascended into heaven he sent the Holy Spirit onto earth to the hearts of all mankind.

That’s the problem with how we view the Old Testament and the so called contradictions in the Bible. We are trying to view it in the context of post-resurrection fulfillment. We cannot imagine the state of the world and the hearts of men before Christ rose from the dead; fulfilled the old covenants with Israel, and shed his blood to established the new and everlasting covenant for all people.

Before Jesus we have only the interpretations of imperfect sinful men. All of them, even God’s most chosen and beloved men like Abraham, Moses, David, and Simon Peter were imperfect sinful men who fell multiple times to their own pride and greed and lust and lack of faith.
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 11:00 pm
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:04 pm to
That aint my pope
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/25/23 at 12:00 am to
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Meanwhile he hides behind his own Protestant Baptist religion, never again admitting he's a Baptist, in order to avoid scrutiny of his own beliefs.


I’ve said I was Baptist many times on here in the past. What do you think I’m afraid of? That you’ll badmouth Baptists?
I know there are sorry Baptists, so you aren’t telling me anything new.
And since our churches are autonomous and each church is different, I don’t see how what one Baptists church does would have any bearing on my church. Baptists don’t claim to have any exclusive hold on biblical truth
And lastly, I don’t have to protect a denomination like you do. I’m free to evaluate each church and pastor by what they preach and how they conducted themselves.
Like I said previously, no one that stands in front of God at judgment will be asked what church he belonged to, and it won’t merit anyone any favor.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63416 posts
Posted on 12/25/23 at 2:56 am to
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Baptists don’t claim to have any exclusive hold on biblical truth


Then why do you do so?

Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62070 posts
Posted on 12/25/23 at 3:16 am to
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Then why do you do so?


I don’t. I have things I believe about salvation that have never changed, but my theology about eschatology has changed a great deal in 40 years and probably will continue to change as I grow in knowledge.
I’m open to different viewpoints and listen to preachers and teachers that don’t believe the way I do.
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