re: Pope, we must avoid rigid ideologies

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I don’t. I have things I believe about salvation that have never changed, but my theology about eschatology has changed a great deal in 40 years and probably will continue to change as I grow in knowledge.
I’m open to different viewpoints and listen to preachers and teachers that don’t believe the way I do.

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I'll list a few, as a preacher called unto prophecy 40 years ago, who got rebuked by God about 8 years ago when I prayed, "Lord why are there so many understandings about Babylon, the Beasts, the 144,000 when you said in the last days you would pour out your spirit in the end times, and would reveal all things Daniel was told".

And I got this answer, (Short and sweet). "Ron, you guys already know it all" And from that day forward, I have learned not to trust in old understanding which came from men many, many times and to reevaluates everything I once knew, or at least to look at things with a critical eye. And what I have found is when you wrestle with God for answers, He will always give them unto you. So, if you see anything that doesn't quite add up, do not accept contradictions, seek God's answers, He will give it.

Now I will list a few things that might peak your interest if you are an avid Eschatological type person. Maybe we can kick it around a bit.

1.) The Seals are not Judgments or Wrath but are instead Jesus prophesying soon to come events, just like Joel 2:31 did 2500 years ago. In other words both Joel and the 6th Seal are pointing to the Trumpet Judgments, and Trump #4 fulfills both.

2.) The 1335, 1290 and 1260 are all "Events" that happen that many number of days "Before all these Wonders End" at the 2nd coming of Jesus. Thus the 1260 is last, the 1290 comes 30 days before that and the 1335 comes first, the 2nd coming is the fulcrum point.

The 1335 is the Two-witnesses Blessing
The 1290 can not be the A.C. but is the F.P 2nd Beast
The 1260 is the A.C. who rules for only 1260 days

3.) Matt. 24:4-14 has nothing to do with the End Times

4.) The A.C. only Conquers the Mediterranean Sea Region, and is the President of the E.U. and has to be Greek born as Dan. 8:9 mandates and has to come to political power in the E.U. as Dan. 7:7-8 mandates, AND lastly has to have Assyrian bloodlines according to Isaiah 10. So, this man will have Turkish/Iraqi Assyrian blood, be born in Greece who has a common border with Turkey, and he must become the E.U. President. He never conquers the whole world, but instead the whole earth being spoken about. This is easily provable.

5.) The Remnant spoken of in Rev. 12:17 can not be Jewish, its the Remnant Gentile Church on earth after the pre trib rapture.

6.) Those who come out of great tribulation in Rev. 7:9-16 are the pre trib raptured church, in John 16:33 Jesus told us all time on earth is troubles. No one gets raptured during the 70th week, so says Seal #5 and Rev. 20:4

7.) The 144,000 like the 10 Virgin Brides is a reference code. The number 10 means completeness, so the 10 virgin brides equal the complete church, and they are not, of course, only women, they are men , women children. Likewise, the 144,000 is also a code, the number is equal to 12 (Fulness) x 12 x 10 (completion) x 10 x 10 which is 144,000, but it means ALL Israel who repents, and Zech. 13:8-9 tells us that is a 1/3 of all Jews or 5 million Jews who repent and flee Judea.

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It's ironic actually, when it comes to American politics we never trust main stream media, but when it comes to reporting on the church we seem to take it as Gospe

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Especially the Catholic Church. Makes you think satan is behind this.

So true. Truth is what exits without or before “man”. Once something becomes “organized” mankind often pollutes or perverts it to maintain power. Evolution is one thing. Doctrinal change is ma made.

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It makes you wonder if satan is behind all of this and unfortunately a lot of Protestants on this board fall for the lies.

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Man, Catholics are so lost it grieves my soul. You people really have no idea what way is up.

If you truly sought the Lord and a relationship with Him and not with traditions of men, you'd...well, I guess that wouldn't make you Catholic.

No, you see...Jesus came to earth, died and rose again...so he can have some old man elected by a bunch of older men, sit on a throne in a funky looking hat and tell you what to do for the rest of your life.

How much sense does that make?

My belief is Pope Francis is one of the worst popes in Catholic history. We have had bad popes before who have had mistresses and other moral problems. This pope is using weaponized ambiguity to cause a crisis of faith among many Catholics. He is specifically going after orthodox Catholics who are the most loyal of his flock. He consistently is conforming the Catholic Church to fit the morals of the world. Pope Francis has done so much damage to the Church that he will have to account for.

I don't like this Pope, he's a pathetic liberal to me overall, but the RCC carried the Gospel to the world for the first 1000 to 1200 years via the Latin Vulgate before other bibles were created.

So, those who call the RCC the Harlot are just not in the know, they do not think things through. I chastise all those who claim the RCC is the Harlot or Beast, and who say the Pope is the False Prophet because that has to be a Jewish High Priest like unto Jason (real name Yeshua) under Antiochus Epiphanes. Those two were the shadows for the coming A.C. & F.P.

They are pretenders via Eschatology.

Revelation 1:19

19 Write therefore the things that you have seen, those that are and those that are to take place after this.


I’m not a preterits, so I don’t think all the things from Revelation have already transpired, but like this verse suggest, some of the things John saw had already passed, some were going on currently in his life and other things were in his future.

So you link me Catholic articles as proof of Catholic doctrinal fact.

You're either simple or a really bad troll.

The Nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ

The Twenty-fifth Day of December,

when ages beyond number had run their course
from the creation of the world,

when God in the beginning created heaven and earth,
and formed man in his own likeness;

when century upon century had passed
since the Almighty set his bow in the clouds after the Great Flood,
as a sign of covenant and peace;

in the twenty-first century since Abraham, our father in faith,
came out of Ur of the Chaldees;

in the thirteenth century since the People of Israel were led by Moses
in the Exodus from Egypt;

around the thousandth year since David was anointed King;

in the sixty-fifth week of the prophecy of Daniel;

in the one hundred and ninety-fourth Olympiad;

in the year seven hundred and fifty-two
since the foundation of the City of Rome;

in the forty-second year of the reign of Caesar Octavian Augustus,
the whole world being at peace,

JESUS CHRIST, eternal God and Son of the eternal Father,
desiring to consecrate the world by his most loving presence,
was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
and when nine months had passed since his conception,
was born of the Virgin Mary in Bethlehem of Judah,
and was made man:

The Nativity of Our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh.