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re: Pope Francis permits Priests to bless same sex couples in major Vatican doctrine change
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:56 am to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:56 am to Squirrelmeister
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Witchcraft is very real according to your Bible.
I agree that witchcraft can be real and dangerous and shouldn’t be played with. When I spoke of superstition, I was talking about the people who ascribed many activities to witchcraft when they clearly weren’t.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 10:59 am
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Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:58 am to Revelator
The Catechism discusses witchcraft.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:59 am to Fun Bunch
Just wait until the threesomes and foursomes, the bestials and other fetishists start demanding their blessings.
This is going to result in the woke cancellation of the few remaining priests who are trying to remain true to the faith.
2024 is going to be wild ride further into the abyss.
This is going to result in the woke cancellation of the few remaining priests who are trying to remain true to the faith.
2024 is going to be wild ride further into the abyss.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:00 am to Champagne
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The Catechism discusses witchcraft.
I’m not saying witchcraft isn’t real. Squirrel implied this was my belief.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:06 am to Revelator
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Correct. What is raised is imperishable. What does this have to do with a resurrected body?
Paul means that the resurrected dead and even those alive will be transformed into spiritual bodies. Their new bodies won’t be made of flesh. He says there are bodies for animals and birds on earth, humanly fleshly bodies, and then there are spiritual bodies. The dead will be resurrected and given new spiritual bodies that are imperishable- not made of flesh nor cable of injury, rotting, or other imperfections.
Paul would have considered the later gospels heresies that have a resurrected Jesus walking around in a body of “sinful flesh” with wounds in the side and hands.
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1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Exactly. That’s written by Paul. The glorified body is not one made out of flesh but new perfect spiritual bodies made for the heavenly spirit realm.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:31 am to Squirrelmeister
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Paul means that the resurrected dead and even those alive will be transformed into spiritual bodies. Their new bodies won’t be made of flesh. He says there are bodies for animals and birds on earth, humanly fleshly bodies, and then there are spiritual bodies. The dead will be resurrected and given new spiritual bodies that are imperishable- not made of flesh nor cable of injury, rotting, or other imperfections. Exactly. That’s written by Paul. The glorified body is not one made out of flesh but new perfect spiritual bodies made for the heavenly spirit realm.
I agree with all of this. So where is our quarrel?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:39 am to Revelator
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agree with all of this. So where is our quarrel?
You are both wrong.
Jesus had a real physical body after the resurrection. Thomas put his hand in Jesus side and Jesus ate with them to prove he was not a ghost.
The physical resurrection IS Christianity . Without it the rest means nothing
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:47 am to Guntoter1
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You are both wrong. Jesus had a real physical body after the resurrection. Thomas put his hand in Jesus side and Jesus ate with them to prove he was not a ghost.
Jesus wasn’t a ghost but had a resurrected body like all believers will have one day. It’s a spiritual body, but one that can enjoy physical things.
We can look at the story of how Jacob wrestled with an Angel and his hip was placed out of joint. Surely we know angels are spiritual beings, but can obviously take human form.
The same is true with the angels who appeared to Abraham before going down to Sodom. They ate with him, yet we know they are spiritual beings.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:31 pm to 62Tigerfan
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Just wait until the threesomes and foursomes, the bestials and other fetishists start demanding their blessings.
Do you know what a "blessing" is? I provided some info in a different thread.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:55 pm to Revelator
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I agree with all of this. So where is our quarrel?
Not sure if there is a quarrel yet because I’m not sure if you got the point I was trying to make.
You said a few posts back a couple of days ago now that Jesus had a glorified body upon his resurrection, and you restated you agree with Paul on his concepts of sinful flesh and that “our” glorified bodies will be spiritual bodies not comprised of sinful flesh.
I had pointed out that in the gospel according to “John” that when Jesus appeared to Thomas after his resurrection, he was in a fleshly body complete with the wound in his side and the nail holes in his hands. The reason I pointed it out is because it conflicts with the gospel according to Paul.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:20 pm to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 12/23/23 at 3:22 pm to Squirrelmeister
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I had pointed out that in the gospel according to “John” that when Jesus appeared to Thomas after his resurrection, he was in a fleshly body complete with the wound in his side and the nail holes in his hands. The reason I pointed it out is because it conflicts with the gospel according to Paul.
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1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39 ¶ All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40 ¶ There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another
I think we will be recognizable in heaven. Remember on the mount of transfiguration where Peter recognized the Old Testament saints though he had never seen them before?
Is it not possible to have a resurrected spiritual body that still bares the marks of our physical one?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 4:00 pm to Revelator
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Is it not possible to have a resurrected spiritual body that still bares the marks of our physical one?
Read Paul’s epistles and you’ll have your answer. Paul wrote that the resurrected body is a transformed metamorphosized spiritual celestial type body, one free of imperfections and “imperishable” in that it cannot be corrupted nor rot.
The writer of the “Gospel according to John” and Paul just had a difference of opinion. There’s no way to resolve those contradictions- logically. I’m sure someone like Foo can resolve them illogically.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 4:17 pm to Champagne
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RCC Catechism teaches that His glorified body was quite fleshy indeed.
They have to take a position on the irreconcilable contradictions. It doesn’t change that Paul’s writings differ from the RCC’s teachings and it is no surprise.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 4:28 pm to Squirrelmeister
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The writer of the “Gospel according to John” and Paul just had a difference of opinion. There’s no way to resolve those contradictions- logically. I’m sure someone like Foo can resolve them illogically.
1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
We aren’t meant to know all things about all subjects on this earth. Our understanding of things is clouded by our imperfect nature that can lead us to imperfect positions. That’s why we need faith.
One day we will know all and all will be revealed to us.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 12/23/23 at 4:51 pm to Revelator
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in a mirror dimly
There’s a couple of Star Trek episodes with that title - almost. “In a Mirror, Darkly”. There’s a few more episodes titled and themed based on Bible myth.
Did you know Mr. Spock introduced the Hebrew letter for the English “S” sound with his “live long and prosper” gesture? It’s a Hebrew greeting for “shalom” aka peace. Also “shalom” was a pre-exilic Hebrew sun god worshipped in what is now Israel. One of King Saul’s sons in the Bible was named “Abshalom” which had a figurative meaning that the sun god was his father, exactly the same as how King Tut’s dad Akhenaten of Egypt meant figuratively that his father was Aten the sun god.
Aten… the first recorded one god of the first monotheistic religion… in Egypt of all places. Right next to Judah. It’s no coincidence that the Jews call their god Aten… well close.. Adon… but it’s a direct translation of Egyptian to Hebrew. Jews normally say Adonai though which makes the word possessive. (Like “El” is the name of god the father while “Eli” means “my El” in context of “Eli Eli Lema Sabacthani”.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 5:35 pm to Squirrelmeister
quote:I don't see any difference of opinion at all. One thing you can't accept is that the Bible wasn't simply penned by men, but their words were inspired by the Holy Spirit, which He preserved from error because they are His words ultimately, and He cannot lie.
Read Paul’s epistles and you’ll have your answer. Paul wrote that the resurrected body is a transformed metamorphosized spiritual celestial type body, one free of imperfections and “imperishable” in that it cannot be corrupted nor rot.
The writer of the “Gospel according to John” and Paul just had a difference of opinion. There’s no way to resolve those contradictions- logically. I’m sure someone like Foo can resolve them illogically.
Our resurrected bodies will be perfected and incapable of being harmed or killed, just like Jesus' resurrected body. Our bodies will be renewed but not exactly as they were before (for obvious reasons, due to being corrupted by the fall).
The contention seems to be about Jesus' resurrected body being scarred in some way and whether or not that is a contradiction to having a body that is imperishable. I don't think it is. Jesus is a unique situation in that He is God, and even if our glorified bodies, we will not be divine. The most obvious reason why Jesus' resurrected body had scars was as a testimony to the reality of His resurrection. If He had no scars or evidences of His crucifixion, it could have been easier to dismiss Him as being the same person who died on the cross a few days prior, or it would have given more credence to myths that Jews and later Muslims would believe about Jesus not really being crucified but being switched for someone else, or that Jesus wasn't resurrected at all and that He actually died and His body buried in a tomb.
Jesus' body having scars was another mercy that God gave to humanity and in no way means Jesus in His resurrected body must continue to be scarred or deformed in any way, nor does it necessitate that His body in Heaven is scarred right now or when He returns in judgement at the great day of resurrection.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 12/23/23 at 5:37 pm to FooManChoo
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One thing you can't accept is that the Bible wasn't simply penned by men, but their words were inspired by the Holy Spirit, which He preserved from error because they are His words ultimately, and He cannot lie.
So why are there discrepancies?
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 12/23/23 at 5:44 pm to gaetti15
quote:The RC baptism is not sacramental, is symbolic only and besides, they don’t even use proper form which is triple immersion in the Trinity.
maybe once yall stop baptizing Roman Catholics a 2nd time even though the creed says one baptism for the forgiveness of sins
quote:If you’re talking about the Patriarch of Russia and Constantinople, they haven’t excommunicated each other; they have stopped commemorating each other and don’t allow their clergy to commune in each other’s Church.
And once the other Patriarchs stop ex-communicating one another...and stop being so nationalistic
Posted on 12/23/23 at 5:44 pm to 62Tigerfan
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Just wait until the threesomes and foursomes,
Already happened, and your holy book promoted it.
Glad morality is objective though.
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