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re: Pope Francis: animals will be in heaven
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:37 am to Holden Caulfield
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:37 am to Holden Caulfield
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I believe this as well. The same God who created me created my dogs. They weren't created by a lesser god.
So there will be 50 billion dogs in heaven? Great. Use some logic, son.
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Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:38 am to FT
The pearly gates are guarded by pit bulls.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:39 am to SirWinston
quote:Heaven is almost never discussed in any meaningful way in the Bible. We have no idea how it'll work, from a Biblical perspective. We only have oral tradition, and it's not perfectly clear on what it'll be like, either.
So there will be 50 billion dogs in heaven? Great. Use some logic, son.
What we can know, if we are believers, is that Heaven is going to be pretty incredible. I see nothing wrong with telling a child that his dog will be in Heaven; we don't know that he won't be, and if he isn't, we won't care.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:40 am to SirWinston
You're putting limits on Heaven?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:41 am to SirWinston
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So there will be 50 billion dogs in heaven? Great. Use some logic, son.
I choose not to put limits on God.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 9:43 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:42 am to FT
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What we can know, if we are believers, is that Heaven is going to be pretty incredible. I see nothing wrong with telling a child that his dog will be in Heaven; we don't know that he won't be, and if he isn't, we won't care.
I guess if you're going to indoctrinate your child with the ridiculous belief of heaven you may as well add a little white like like "... and Barkley will be there!" to it.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:43 am to SirWinston
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so stupid. how can any sane person believe in heaven? it's less realistic than Jack and the Beanstalk.
Do you realize how many animals would be in heaven? Like 10 trillion? Ridiculous.
If heaven (or any sort of afterlife) does indeed exist, why do you have any reason to believe that it is based on our earthly understanding of time and space? Hell, we haven't even scratched the surface of understanding our own dimension.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:45 am to Holden Caulfield
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I choose not to put limits on God.
Seems fitting, because how can you put limits on an omnipotent being who somehow threw a hissy fit and wiped out tens of millions of innocent people and billions upon billions of innocent animals in the great flood?
If you believe the Bible literally than how can you worship somebody who committed the greatest act of murder and destruction? Heinous act.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 9:47 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:46 am to Holden Caulfield
I don't post a lot here, and certainly not on religious threads. It's just asking for a shouting match.
I just have no idea where this "All dogs go to heaven" idea came from. Anyone who happily declares in casual conversation or who feels compelled to broadcast to thousands over Facebook that they will see their pets in heaven just sounds delusional to me. How are pets judged for their sins? By what process are they granted or denied entrance to heaven? If it's the same process humans undergo, sins and good deeds, and even sinners and saints have no meaning. It clearly can't be the same process, because animals are different. Sorry to all the pet lovers out there, but pets don't have souls and are not capable of the reason-based decision making that leads to either good or evil deeds.
These same people that adore their pets have to also allow for the possibility that they may suffer hell while their pets reap the benefits of heaven, do they not? No, they don't, because you will never hear a person declare that they better rid themselves of all their sins before death or else they won't see their beloved Fluffy in Heaven, it's always the other way around.
I call it delusion.
I just have no idea where this "All dogs go to heaven" idea came from. Anyone who happily declares in casual conversation or who feels compelled to broadcast to thousands over Facebook that they will see their pets in heaven just sounds delusional to me. How are pets judged for their sins? By what process are they granted or denied entrance to heaven? If it's the same process humans undergo, sins and good deeds, and even sinners and saints have no meaning. It clearly can't be the same process, because animals are different. Sorry to all the pet lovers out there, but pets don't have souls and are not capable of the reason-based decision making that leads to either good or evil deeds.
These same people that adore their pets have to also allow for the possibility that they may suffer hell while their pets reap the benefits of heaven, do they not? No, they don't, because you will never hear a person declare that they better rid themselves of all their sins before death or else they won't see their beloved Fluffy in Heaven, it's always the other way around.
I call it delusion.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:47 am to SirWinston
quote:You're going to indoctrinate your children with a million ideas that are likely to be wrong. This one at least isn't harmful.
I guess if you're going to indoctrinate your child with the ridiculous belief of heaven you may as well add a little white like like "... and Barkley will be there!" to it.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:47 am to RelentlessRyan
It really is stupid - I agree 100%. A human burning in hell for eternity because he didn't "ask Jesus into his heart" yet every dog gets a free pass to an eternity of paradise?
Holy shite - I should have been a dog!
Holy shite - I should have been a dog!
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:48 am to SirWinston
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If you believe the Bible literally than how can you worship somebody who committed the greatest act of murder and destruction? Heinous act.
I'm not enlightened enough to know the nature, mind or will of God nor will I ever claim to know the nature, mind or will of God. What I believe I believe by my own reasoning.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:49 am to Jim Rockford
quote:I guess we know where Michael Vick is going then.
Pope Francis: animals will be in heaven
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:49 am to RelentlessRyan
quote:Perhaps the thing that gets an animal into heaven is its service of an earthly master? Perhaps humans, in their elevated state in heaven, will simply be able to call back to their service those animals that have helped them on earth?
These same people that adore their pets have to also allow for the possibility that they may suffer hell while their pets reap the benefits of heaven, do they not? No, they don't, because you will never hear a person declare that they better rid themselves of all their sins before death or else they won't see their beloved Fluffy in Heaven, it's always the other way around.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:52 am to SirWinston
This is certainly one topic that an atheist and a Christian can agree on, that's for sure. Good God.
I'm closer to Christian than atheist, but it's stuff like this that really keeps me on the fence.
A Christian and an atheist would both call this belief out for what it is: delusion.
I'm closer to Christian than atheist, but it's stuff like this that really keeps me on the fence.
A Christian and an atheist would both call this belief out for what it is: delusion.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:55 am to FT
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Heaven is almost never discussed in any meaningful way in the Bible
It's basically the only thing Jesus talked about.
Just not in the way we view it today.
As for the Pope's view on pets in heaven, I hold what he says in the same regard I have for the teachings of Joel Osteen. Both of them are men of God with large followings.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:55 am to TK421
quote:But not in a meaningful way, by which I mean the specifics of what happens there. It's just kind of a mysterious place he wants us all to get to.
It's basically the only thing Jesus talked about.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:59 am to FT
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Perhaps the thing that gets an animal into heaven is its service of an earthly master? Perhaps humans, in their elevated state in heaven, will simply be able to call back to their service those animals that have helped them on earth?
This sounds like a slippery slope.
If this is the case, then in my elevated state in heaven I can also call back my XBOX One from Earth and play Madden over the internet against some random person in heaven. Or maybe I could with the snap of my finger give myself a million dollars in heaven. Or maybe I could move Grand Isle to my sector of heaven and catch ten pound trout and suffocate them in an ice chest so that I can eat half of them later and mount the rest. Or maybe I could create a strip club, but it will be a heavenly one because each of the 72 women in there will be virgins. Because heaven is all about calling back the things we enjoy on Earth, right?
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 10:04 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 9:59 am to RelentlessRyan
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I just have no idea where this "All dogs go to heaven" idea came from. Anyone who happily declares in casual conversation or who feels compelled to broadcast to thousands over Facebook that they will see their pets in heaven just sounds delusional to me. How are pets judged for their sins? By what process are they granted or denied entrance to heaven? If it's the same process humans undergo, sins and good deeds, and even sinners and saints have no meaning. It clearly can't be the same process, because animals are different. Sorry to all the pet lovers out there, but pets don't have souls and are not capable of the reason-based decision making that leads to either good or evil deeds.
These same people that adore their pets have to also allow for the possibility that they may suffer hell while their pets reap the benefits of heaven, do they not? No, they don't, because you will never hear a person declare that they better rid themselves of all their sins before death or else they won't see their beloved Fluffy in Heaven, it's always the other way around.
I call it delusion.
I don't think he's suggesting that dogs are being cast in judgment.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:00 am to RelentlessRyan
quote:I don't know what it's about. I offered a hypothesis.
Because heaven is all about calling back the things we enjoy on Earth, right?
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