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re: Pope Francis: animals will be in heaven
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:10 am to FT
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:10 am to FT
I don't know what it's about either, but I think I can offer a much better hypothesis than that it's a place where people meet their beloved Fluffy and prance around with him all day in the clouds.
"The kingdom of God is within you." -Jesus
To me this means that heaven is a place where nothing happens. It is not a place of existence, but rather a state of existence. It is a state of ultimate bliss, a state of peace absent turmoil and strife.
Think about that fleeting two second feeling, that tingling in your head you get while you're lying on the couch after enjoying a good Thanksgiving meal. That fleeting state of peace. My notion of heaven is that it is that sort of peace that never ends. That feeling. Nothing else. Nothing else is needed.
"The kingdom of God is within you." -Jesus
To me this means that heaven is a place where nothing happens. It is not a place of existence, but rather a state of existence. It is a state of ultimate bliss, a state of peace absent turmoil and strife.
Think about that fleeting two second feeling, that tingling in your head you get while you're lying on the couch after enjoying a good Thanksgiving meal. That fleeting state of peace. My notion of heaven is that it is that sort of peace that never ends. That feeling. Nothing else. Nothing else is needed.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 10:19 am
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Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:13 am to RelentlessRyan
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My notion of heaven is that it is that sort of peace that never ends. That feeling. Nothing else. Nothing else is needed.
Hope you enjoy your eternity. My personal belief is that heaven will be dynamic and filled with activity.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:17 am to Y.A. Tittle
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I don't think he's suggesting that dogs are being cast in judgment.
Ah, but he is. He just doesn't realize it.
Think about it.
Any human's entrance into heaven is based upon being cast in judgment. "Cast in judgment" just has negative connotations for most Christians, judgment being a bad thing. But you can judge someone as being good just as you can for being bad. Any soul that is welcomed into heaven had to have been "cast in judgment" as being good as a precursor. So it is clearly not the same process and when the Pope makes blanket statements like this it just BEGS for elaboration. The statement as it stands is not something I agree with.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:17 am to Jim Rockford
If this is true I may need to become a Christian again
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:21 am to RelentlessRyan
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Ah, but he is.
No, he's not. This is not about salvation for the animal. No where did the pope allude to Jesus dying for the sins of animal. Its about having that animal, the one you cherish, in your presence for eternity.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:21 am to Jay Quest
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Hope you enjoy your eternity. My personal belief is that heaven will be dynamic and filled with activity.
Hope you enjoy yours as well. Jesus' statement about the kingdom of God lying within us seems to imply a state of inertia though. Sorry.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:22 am to RelentlessRyan
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Any human's entrance into heaven is based upon being cast in judgment. "Cast in judgment" just has negative connotations for most Christians, judgment being a bad thing. But you can judge someone as being good just as you can for being bad. Any soul that is welcomed into heaven had to have been "cast in judgment" as being good as a precursor.
Correct. But, is he suggesting that a dog has a "soul" in any manner of the human sense of that word? It doesn't seem so in reading the statement.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:25 am to Jay Quest
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No, he's not. This is not about salvation for the animal. No where did the pope allude to Jesus dying for the sins of animal. Its about having that animal, the one you cherish, in your presence for eternity.
What is the point of heaven if we need to call back all of our earthly enjoyments to be at peace?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:26 am to RelentlessRyan
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Jesus' statement about the kingdom of God lying within us seems to imply a state of inertia though. Sorry.
He made that statement to people living in this dimension who have yet to die. That we would possess the kingdom of heaven within us, as we go through this life, is comforting. I don't believe eternity will be spent living within myself.
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Hope you enjoy yours as well.
Thank you
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:27 am to RelentlessRyan
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What is the point of heaven if we need to call back all of our earthly enjoyments to be at peace?
We don't NEED to. We can, if we choose to, be with anyone or anything that brings us comfort, love and peace.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:33 am to Jay Quest
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He made that statement to people living in this dimension who have yet to die. That we would possess the kingdom of heaven within us, as we go through this life, is comforting.
I think you just made my point for me. What is that "comforting kingdom of heaven" that you speak of? It's a state of heaven on earth. It's just peace on earth. Mercy mild. God and sinners reconciled. That's all I believe heaven is. A state of peace. That's all that is needed, as I said in one of my previous posts. If you carry that state within you in this life as you said, then you can bring it to the next one, where, away from all the hubbub and stresses of this life you can enjoy it that much more in a place where nothing happens. A much starker contrast.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:36 am to SirWinston
You dont understand magic, dummy.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:39 am to RelentlessRyan
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I think you just made my point for me.
Then I wasn't concise enough in what I was saying. I don't share your view of the afterlife.
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That's all I believe heaven is. A state of peace
I agree we will be at peace. We will not, however, become heavenly zombies. I believe we will retain our identity and personality and will be much more self aware and self fulfilling than you do.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 10:40 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:40 am to RelentlessRyan
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Correct. But, is he suggesting that a dog has a "soul" in any manner of the human sense of that word? It doesn't seem so in reading the statement.
Reading into statements is overrated. Statements can carry their own weight just fine. They don't need you to read into them.
The statement is a blanket one, meaning everything that we know about what he is talking about is implied. Like I said, he needs to elaborate. I disagree with him if this is all he will say on the matter.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 10:42 am
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:42 am to baybeefeetz
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You dont understand magic, dummy.
Upvote.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:44 am to Jay Quest
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Hope you enjoy your eternity. My personal belief is that heaven will be dynamic and filled with activity.
My personal belief is that heaven is an eternal now in eternal bliss. The dimension of time is absent. God and angles can see the past and future of life in our dimension like oil on canvas.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:53 am to GumboPot
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eternal now
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The dimension of time is absent
I agree. Whatever it reveals itself to be in reality, I suspect it will exceed expectation.
Everything I've posted is what I expect the afterlife to be not what I know it to be.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:53 am to Jim Rockford
Wouldn't it be better for the animals if their souls were allowed a chance to spiritually evolve and be re-born as a healthy human baby?
Why must an animal's soul be confined for Eternity as an animal?
Is it not unfair that some Souls are allowed to be human but others are condemned to be mere animals for all Eternity?
Why must an animal's soul be confined for Eternity as an animal?
Is it not unfair that some Souls are allowed to be human but others are condemned to be mere animals for all Eternity?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:03 am to Jim Rockford
I'm not a religious person but this Pope is great. It isn't hard to beat the last one who liked playing Sith lord but this guy is going to drag Catholicism into the modern era it seems. I almost want to go to Philly and see him. He's got a huge soap box to scream off of and he is doing wonderful things. I may not be religious but I'm all about someone doing good in any form.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:04 am to Jay Quest
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Whatever it reveals itself to be in reality, I suspect it will exceed expectation.
I'm very confident of that.
I believe the difficulty we have describing heaven is analogous to the difficulty of describing a cube with only an "x" and "Y" cartesian plane. Except the gap is even wider between our dimension and the dimension(s) of heaven.
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