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re: Poll: should Facebook, Twitter, etc be allowed to ban people for political speech?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:18 pm to Navytiger74
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:18 pm to Navytiger74
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Also denied.
Sounds like it's lawsuit time. Good thing SCOTUS agrees with me as of today.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:19 pm to I B Freeman
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Why not???
Either you’re an editor and a publisher, or you’re not. If you’re an editor and publisher, you’re responsible for what you post. I can sue the NYT if they slander me. I can’t sue a company that doesn’t take responsibility for its content
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:21 pm to Upperdecker
I think everyone should abandon these bs sites...... then stand back and watch it implode.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:25 pm to Upperdecker
Yes. I have not yet heard the compelling legal argument to get big gov involved.
Conservative by choice repub by necessity.
Conservative by choice repub by necessity.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:25 pm to Upperdecker
No. They serve a public service just the same as radio and TV.
Conservative.
Conservative.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:33 pm to Upperdecker
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Poll: should Facebook, Twitter, etc be allowed to ban people for political speech?
They should be allowed to ban people for content but with serious repercussions.
Basically, if you start to censor views, you become a publisher instead of a platform and lose DMCA copyright safe harbor protections.
So if a user posts something that infringes copyright, you can be immediately sued. No more getting notification and having a chance to remove it before being sued. Also, you have to keep track of numbers of views of infringing content.
If you don't censor, you remain a platform and continue to get safe harbor protections.
So they can censor if they want, but the financial incentive is probably enough to keep them from doing so.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:35 pm to Upperdecker
quote:Lol
You can regulate your own platform. But you can’t pick and choose.
quote:They do have it both ways, because they set the rules and people voluntarily agree to them
Either you take responsibility and censor as you want, or you let users post as they want and don’t take publisher responsibility. You can’t have it both ways.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:36 pm to Upperdecker
If they’re going to ban political speech from 1 side, they should just ban all political speech as a policy.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:45 pm to Upperdecker
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Nope. On each of those platforms the user can unfollow/block any user they choose.
Conservative
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:48 pm to JuiceTerry
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They do have it both ways, because they set the rules and people voluntarily agree to them
People reading the websites do not. Only people that post on the websites. Same issue for the NYT, Washington Post, etc. Publisher rules protect readers and those that are discussed in the published material
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:52 pm to Upperdecker
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The admins ban for things like being overtly racist
Could easily be considered "political speech you don't agree with".
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:55 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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Could easily be considered "political speech you don't agree with".
There’s a big difference between political speech and overt racism
Posted on 5/13/19 at 5:56 pm to Upperdecker
I’m a conservative! They can ban whoever they want, it’s a free country and a free market. More laws are a bad thing, not a good thing. Get off social media and you’ll find there’s a whole real life that exist out there that is so much better.
Liberals love social media bc they can’t handle the real world, if you’re a conservative or a libertarian you’ve proven through life that you can handle the real world. Let liberals have their fake world and go focus on exercise and family.
Liberals love social media bc they can’t handle the real world, if you’re a conservative or a libertarian you’ve proven through life that you can handle the real world. Let liberals have their fake world and go focus on exercise and family.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:00 pm to Upperdecker
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There’s a big difference between political speech and overt racism
Orly?
Seems like it's a matter a perspective.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:02 pm to Green Chili Tiger
You think the admins here would ban you for that? If you said it yourself?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:05 pm to Upperdecker
It is the question of whether they are a publisher or a platform?
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:05 pm to Upperdecker
Conservative-leaning libertarian. Yes, they are private companies and should have that right. Alternatives can and are arising (4Chan, WhatsApp, etc.)
Also, I’m not sure the general public knows this, but the tech sector is much less liberal than people think. Sure, the business managers and corporate types are uber-leftists, but deep in the belly of the beast, the predominantly male white or Asian engineers/coders are over 50% conservative/libertarian, with what I would estimate to be about another 20% who would call themselves centrists or non-political. Many of us are growing increasingly angry over the loss of the laid-back/anything goes/just keep inventing breezy culture of the 90s/2000s. Many are being passed up for promotions by inferior engineers in the name of diversity, and the grip of the HR feminazi types is becoming unbearable despite all the awesome perks/salaries.
I say all this because people shouldn’t be surprised in the near future when a tidal wave of disaffected employees (the useful ones) start leaving the mega-corp.’s of the world just to experience the freedom of a startup or consulting gig again, and when that happens companies like Facebook and Google will have to move fast to stay on top of the mountain. Think James Damore at Google- the media would love to portray him as a one-off racist/sexist, but he’s actually in the majority of employees, at least amongst the tech types.
Source: I’m an engineer at Mega-Corp USA
Also, I’m not sure the general public knows this, but the tech sector is much less liberal than people think. Sure, the business managers and corporate types are uber-leftists, but deep in the belly of the beast, the predominantly male white or Asian engineers/coders are over 50% conservative/libertarian, with what I would estimate to be about another 20% who would call themselves centrists or non-political. Many of us are growing increasingly angry over the loss of the laid-back/anything goes/just keep inventing breezy culture of the 90s/2000s. Many are being passed up for promotions by inferior engineers in the name of diversity, and the grip of the HR feminazi types is becoming unbearable despite all the awesome perks/salaries.
I say all this because people shouldn’t be surprised in the near future when a tidal wave of disaffected employees (the useful ones) start leaving the mega-corp.’s of the world just to experience the freedom of a startup or consulting gig again, and when that happens companies like Facebook and Google will have to move fast to stay on top of the mountain. Think James Damore at Google- the media would love to portray him as a one-off racist/sexist, but he’s actually in the majority of employees, at least amongst the tech types.
Source: I’m an engineer at Mega-Corp USA
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:14 pm to Upperdecker
Yes. Per the 1A protections that apply even to commercial speech these businesses are allowed to do business with whomever they choose.
However, they shouldn’t be able to do so unless the ban falls within a clearly articulated policy that is uniformly applied regardless of political affiliation. Burden of proof on that issue belongs to the Social Media Company.
If they fail to do it they are Liable for injunctive relief (put the site back up, etc) as a or as Special class of broadcaster for damages (including loss of income and damage to professional rep), and punitive damages and/or an unfair trade practice.
This is something that needs to be enforced btwn private actors. Not by the GVT.
I would say the same regulations should be applied to banks/social paying stuff (eg Paypal)
However, they shouldn’t be able to do so unless the ban falls within a clearly articulated policy that is uniformly applied regardless of political affiliation. Burden of proof on that issue belongs to the Social Media Company.
If they fail to do it they are Liable for injunctive relief (put the site back up, etc) as a or as Special class of broadcaster for damages (including loss of income and damage to professional rep), and punitive damages and/or an unfair trade practice.
This is something that needs to be enforced btwn private actors. Not by the GVT.
I would say the same regulations should be applied to banks/social paying stuff (eg Paypal)
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:28 pm to Wednesday
Do these sites operate in California, New York, or DC?
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