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re: Poll: Protestants decline, more have no religion in a sharply shifting religious landscape
Posted on 5/11/18 at 11:02 am to VOR
Posted on 5/11/18 at 11:02 am to VOR
There’s a big difference between the Episcopalian Church I grew up in and the kinds of shite pushed through by the Presiding Bishops of the past decade or so.
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Posted on 5/11/18 at 11:03 am to TheHarahanian
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Seminaries went liberal starting, I think, in the 60s. There’s been an effort to turn that around - at least with one denomination.
By design. Read about the Southern Baptist convention.
but yes... people who do not believe the Bible infiltrated Christian colleges with the intent to change it.
And folks..... we were told about it in 1963! People just refused to believe it.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 11:08 am to Jjdoc
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In all honesty, church leaders and pastors stopped going out to their own people. They stopped visiting the neighborhood.
Yep... when I was growing up... every Monday night they had visitation. Would either go door to door in neighborhoods and/or give out cards that visitors had turned it and go visit them. To my knowledge, that really isn't done anymore.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 11:08 am to Homesick Tiger
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ery true. At our Methodist church when I was a teen, we had a group of 8-10 men who once a week went out and visited non-participating members and also any new neighbors in close proximity to the church.
Yep... They forgot the mission. Forgot those people who are hurting and in need under their own steeples.
We decided it was easier to fund missions abroad..... Not that it's wrong. Made us feel good....
Many mistakes
Posted on 5/11/18 at 11:17 am to Bench McElroy
It's not surprising. Many Protestant denominations (and especially non-denominational churches) have abandoned the Bible as their rule for faith and life and have replaced it with feel-good "talks" and rock concerts in an ironic attempt to be relevant when all they are doing is showing people that they don't need Jesus at all and can get the same experiences from other outlets while not giving up Sunday mornings.
When the Church stops being an arbiter for the truth, it stops being relevent, no matter how many coffee houses are built into the church buildings.
When the Church stops being an arbiter for the truth, it stops being relevent, no matter how many coffee houses are built into the church buildings.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 11:18 am to Bench McElroy
This is what happens when you preach moral relativism in the church. The Bible is not a feel good book, it teaches you the right way and the wrong way to live.
This is what Cicero would describe as natural law.
Moral relativism is possibly the biggest threat to our society in my opinion. It’s an extremely dangerous notion and from my perspective, it gives rise to people like Stalin and Hitler and Mao.
This is what Cicero would describe as natural law.
Moral relativism is possibly the biggest threat to our society in my opinion. It’s an extremely dangerous notion and from my perspective, it gives rise to people like Stalin and Hitler and Mao.
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 11:34 am
Posted on 5/11/18 at 11:21 am to SSpaniel
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Yep... when I was growing up... every Monday night they had visitation. Would either go door to door in neighborhoods and/or give out cards that visitors had turned it and go visit them. To my knowledge, that really isn't done anymore.
Yeah they did. Just every day reaching out. It stopped. What I mean by that is just picking up the phone and calling another person and saying hello. how are you.
I think it takes both. Those expected visits and the unexpected call.
Motive is everything though. Are we doing it out of "look at me doing my job" or are we doing it because we love people enough to care?
Posted on 5/11/18 at 11:29 am to Bench McElroy
Still more proof that the protestant reformation was a mistake.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 11:40 am to LSUTigersVCURams
The RC church was corrupt beyond measure. History of the papl office in relation to political power is not something a fan of goodness would want to dwell on.
What we are seeing now is the result of liberalism in the Church and a disease only another Reformation (by the hand of God) can cure.
What we are seeing now is the result of liberalism in the Church and a disease only another Reformation (by the hand of God) can cure.
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 11:40 am
Posted on 5/11/18 at 11:50 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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Still more proof that the protestant reformation was a mistake.
How so? The RC church was corrupt to the core.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 11:59 am to LSUTigersVCURams
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Still more proof that the protestant reformation was a mistake.
Yeah because the Roman Catholic Church has NEVER been corrupt to the core.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 11:59 am to Jjdoc
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Read about the Southern Baptist convention
Exactly the denomination and the instance I was describing.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 12:03 pm to Bench McElroy
I believe that the normalization and celebration of all things gay has caused most of this.
That is the biggest wedge I see facing the church today
That is the biggest wedge I see facing the church today
Posted on 5/11/18 at 12:03 pm to TheHarahanian
I love the SBC. Preaching the word of God, not the word of man.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 12:07 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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I love the SBC. Preaching the word of God, not the word of man.
Yep... not bending to changing "social" nonsense in a attempt to appear more inclusive or "trendy" or whatever nonsense some of the Episcopalian and Methodists are doing.
"HEY, WE HAVE A GAY WOMAN PASTOR. AREN'T WE COOL AND EDGY?"
"But you aren't Biblical..."
"BUT WE CAN REACH MORE PEOPLE"
"But you aren't Biblical..."
"GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR FUNDAMENTALIST VIEW"
This post was edited on 5/11/18 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 5/11/18 at 12:34 pm to SSpaniel
It really is awesome to watch. It’s why I think the Baptists got it right in their doctrine.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 12:38 pm to Bench McElroy
Any successful party in US politics will have to understand the changing landscape when it comes to religion in this country. I really believe this is where the Libertarian party could thrive, if they ever get their heads out of their collective asses.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 12:42 pm to teke184
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I’m sure at least some of this is tied to the subversion of a number of Protestant denominations.
And perhaps the growth of non-denominational churches. From the snippets quoted, I couldn’t tell if the shift is in belief or affiliation.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 12:53 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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I love the SBC. Preaching the word of God, not the word of man.
...except when the matter of contraception or divorce comes up.
Seriously though, this bending of many churches to convenience and “making the people happy” instead of hard truth began with contraception.
Prior to the 1930’s the Catholics and Protestants were in lockstep on this issue. Divorce too was a much more serious matter and not something that is disregarded as minor.
Posted on 5/11/18 at 1:00 pm to Bench McElroy
As time passes, religion becomes increasingly less necessary. It has gone from mankind's sole explanation for everything they saw and experienced in the world around them to largely being an accessory that is grandfathered in.
Now many people still find meaning and purpose in religion, but it is no longer necessary to explain the world around them.
Now many people still find meaning and purpose in religion, but it is no longer necessary to explain the world around them.
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