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Political debate response regarding the “death penalty” question
Posted on 3/3/21 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 3/3/21 at 9:58 pm
So we all remember Michael Dukakis’ answer in the Bush debate where he effectively “lost” the election...
So I was wondering, anyone who opposes the morality of the death penalty... what would your response have been to the question:
Interested in responses...
Bonus points if you can recall the television scene I’m referring to.
Go.
So I was wondering, anyone who opposes the morality of the death penalty... what would your response have been to the question:
quote:I seem to recall a show, maybe The West Wing(?) where the candidate said something along the lines of:
“If your wife or daughter was raped and murdered and the suspect was apprehended with unequivocal evidence he was responsible, would you want the death penalty?”
quote:(or something like that)
“Absolutely I would if something so heinous happened to either women in my life, but thankfully there are courts and the justice system to determine the guilty party’s sentencing... I’d be thankful that I wouldn’t be asked what my opinion would be and I trust in the system”
Interested in responses...
Bonus points if you can recall the television scene I’m referring to.
Go.
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Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:02 pm to yankeeundercover
I’ll never understand how people can agree that the same gov’t that can’t balance a budget, conduct an election, or deliver a fricking letter think that same gov’t is capable of correctly determining whether someone can live or die.
The state shouldn’t have that power. Period.
The state shouldn’t have that power. Period.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:05 pm to yankeeundercover
quote:
“If your wife or daughter was raped and murdered and the suspect was apprehended with unequivocal evidence he was responsible, would you want the death penalty?”
if this were the case then sure whatever. altho people have believed this situation occurred which led to a convicted innocent person. In more than enough cases to reasonably not 'generally' support the death penalty.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:05 pm to Aubie Spr96
quote:Well struck, but if you were to run for political office, seemingly in staunch opposition to the death penalty, how would you respond if asked the question, “If your mother, wife, or daughter was raped and murdered, would you want the guilty party put to death?”
The state shouldn’t have that power. Period.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:08 pm to Aubie Spr96
quote:
I’ll never understand how people can agree that the same gov’t that can’t balance a budget, conduct an election, or deliver a fricking letter think that same gov’t is capable of correctly determining whether someone can live or die.
The state shouldn’t have that power. Period.
Agreed. Good thing we let juries decide.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:10 pm to Aubie Spr96
quote:
The state shouldn’t have that power. Period.
The state doesn't have that power. That's why there's a jury. People should absolutely vote to execute a guilty person in a murder case. If the court system can't protect life, what's the point of the court system?
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:10 pm to yankeeundercover
I'd abandon every principle and value and morals I ever had, and take care of them myself. And that's really no exaggeration. In fact I'd hope their identify was known, but perpetrator not yet caught.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:10 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:
Good thing we let juries decide.
Ah. Good to know the judiciary isn’t part of our gov’t system. Thanks for that.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:13 pm to davyjones
quote:If you haven’t seen “A Time To Kill” with Matthew McConnaughy and Sam Jackson... you’d LOVE it.
and take care of them myself.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:15 pm to yankeeundercover
I have seen it, been a while though. Great movie. Thanks for that, it's going on the list.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:27 pm to yankeeundercover
“It would be a conflict of interest for me to make that decision. I might want it, but that would not be justice. That decision should be made by neutral parties.”
I can answer any tricky question. Ask me another.
I can answer any tricky question. Ask me another.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:35 pm to yankeeundercover
quote:
If you haven’t seen “A Time To Kill” with Matthew McConnaughy and Sam Jackson... you’d LOVE it.
One of my all time favorite movies.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:39 pm to yankeeundercover
Since states take decades to execute death row inmates, the US effectively has no real death penalty.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:47 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:”Why exactly are YOU running for office?”
I can answer any tricky question. Ask me another.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:49 pm to East Coast Band
quote:So you’re saying that “decades” is like infinity? So being almost 40, you must think that I’m living on borrowed time.
Since states take decades to execute death row inmates, the US effectively has no real death penalty.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 10:52 pm to yankeeundercover
quote:
how would you respond if asked the question, “If your mother, wife, or daughter was raped and murdered, would you want the guilty party put to death?”
One might respond: Of course I’d want the guilty party put to death. But there’s a giant leap between my desire for the guilty party to be punished and the state correctly determining who is guilty of that crime. I would rather the guilty party retain his life in prison than put an innocent man to death.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:06 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
I honestly don't think there are many people, when it comes down to it, who could resist the absolutely primal wish and hope for death, in some circumstances. There are people in this world who are willing to do completely unspeakable things.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:14 pm to yankeeundercover
quote:
So you’re saying that “decades” is like infinity? So being almost 40, you must think that I’m living on borrowed time.
No, but unfortunately the death penalty is typically applied so late after the crime the deterrent effect is all but gone. Swift punishment is the most effective, whether we’re talking about raising children or dealing with society’s problem children.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:15 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:
Good thing we let juries decide.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:16 pm to davyjones
quote:
I honestly don't think there are many people, when it comes down to it, who could resist the absolutely primal wish and hope for death, in some circumstances. There are people in this world who are willing to do completely unspeakable things.
Sure, point I was making is the hypo assumes the guilty party is known. It skips the entire process of figuring out who committed the crime. You can have that primal wish against the unidentified perpetrator(s) while being unsure about whether the judicial process gets it right 100% of the time.
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