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re: Police go to wrong house, shoot and kill homeowner
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Did they ever announce who they were when they were attempting a felony (unauthorized entry of an inhabited dwelling)?
Under what circumstance is it improper or wrong to investigate a crime being committed on your property with a weapon?
They knocked on the door, they never tried to go in. There wasn’t a crime being committed, this guy and his wife just watched too many movies and thought they were John Wick or something. Dead guy and his wife are both idiots along with the cops.
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Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:12 pm to Original Bayou Boy
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Not murder. Mistake.
Manslaughter or negligent homicide. Cops should be held to a higher standard than they currently are. If they demanded excellence, accuracy, and discipline from each other they would not be in the spot they are in now.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:13 pm to VolcanicTiger
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For sure, they should catch all kinds of hell for this, it just isn't murder.
Basically, the homeowner made mistakes but the cops made mistakes too. And the cops are the ones who are supposed to be trained. That’s the difference to me.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:14 pm to TuaDezNutzOnYoChin
No qualified immunity in a situation like that. If you’re too fricking stupid to go to the correct house you’re not “qualified” anything!
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:15 pm to VolcanicTiger
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So which elements of "murder" were present?
The specific intent to kill, which is the primary element.
New Mexico's statute for murder, per Jusita
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A. Murder in the first degree is the killing of one human being by another without lawful justification or excuse, by any of the means with which death may be caused:
(1) by any kind of willful, deliberate and premeditated killing;
(2) in the commission of or attempt to commit any felony; or
(3) by any act greatly dangerous to the lives of others, indicating a depraved mind regardless of human life.
Whoever commits murder in the first degree is guilty of a capital felony.
B. Unless he is acting upon sufficient provocation, upon a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion, a person who kills another human being without lawful justification or excuse commits murder in the second degree if in performing the acts which cause the death he knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another.
They could be tried for 1st degree, but certainly for 2nd.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:16 pm to TerryDawg03
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Seems like a level-headed approach.
Amazing how a level-headed approach is your expectation only after cops murdered an innocent homeowner exercising his 2nd amendment rights on his own property they were illegally trespassing on.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:16 pm to Stonehog
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There wasn’t a crime being committed
Trespassing
But yes, no felony. That part was incorrect in my initial statement.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:17 pm to coachcrisp
And this is a perfect advertisement for ring camera. We have already clarified what’s going on before the door opens
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:17 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Amazing how a level-headed approach is your expectation only after cops murdered an innocent homeowner exercising his 2nd amendment rights on his own property they were illegally trespassing on.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:19 pm to TuaDezNutzOnYoChin
Both parties made huge mistakes. LEO not confirming address before even knocking on the door.
Homeowner should have never even opened the door to confront anyone in that manner. You stay in your castle and defend any entry. You don't go outside with a brandished weapon asking to exchange with whoever is there. Dumb move.
Homeowner should have never even opened the door to confront anyone in that manner. You stay in your castle and defend any entry. You don't go outside with a brandished weapon asking to exchange with whoever is there. Dumb move.
This post was edited on 4/15/23 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:20 pm to Scream4LSU
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Homeowner should have never evened opened the door to confront anyone in that manner. You stay in your castle and defend any entry. You don't go outside
He never left his home, even to his curtilage
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Trespassing
Investigating trespassing by pointing a gun is definitely improper.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:23 pm to TerryDawg03
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I think it’s way too early to come to any conclusions. Any LEO is going to stop the threat.
They may have gone to the wrong address, but the homeowner came out with a firearm pointed at them while they thought they were going to a domestic dispute call.
If you’ve never done a ride along with your local Law Enforcement, I encourage everyone to do it. There’s nothing like walking up to a car or home with unknown circumstances to help gain a better understanding of how some of these instances, although horrible, can sometimes happen
Having been in a bunch of shoot or don’t shoot scenarios (granted with relaxed ROEs compared to modern day LE) what drivel you posted is mealy mouth excuses. The fact they approached a property without identifying the address or announcing they are PD makes every action null. I don’t stand up for military fxcks ups (ie. Droning the guy and his kids in Kabul during our pitiful withdrawal) and we won’t fix this crap until the Blue Line has a similar approach/mentality.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:26 pm to Stonehog
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Investigating trespassing by pointing a gun is definitely improper.
He was in the wrong but I hold the supposed professional LEOs to a much higher standard. I wouldn’t call these clowns professionals after gunning down an innocent man at the wrong address and without announcing their presence.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:31 pm to TuaDezNutzOnYoChin
Forget the wrong house for a moment.
Just think about 1 man with a gun in his hand. Opens door with gun in hand and cops shoot. What's the call?
Just think about 1 man with a gun in his hand. Opens door with gun in hand and cops shoot. What's the call?
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:36 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Amazing how a level-headed approach is your expectation only after cops murdered an innocent homeowner exercising his 2nd amendment rights on his own property they were illegally trespassing on.
All of the bold items are what need to go to a court of law, not the court of public opinion.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:40 pm to TerryDawg03
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All of the bold items are what need to go to a court of law, not the court of public opinion.
Somehow every post you make in this thread is more stupid than the previous one.
Do you believe the body cam footage is completely fabricated? Or the police chief is lying about them going to the wrong address? Because that’s the only way your post makes sense.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:42 pm to TerryDawg03
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I think it’s way too early to come to any conclusions. Any LEO is going to stop the threat.
No, they murdered the guy. He has every right to show up to his door with a firearm.
Those cops were in the wrong profession.
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:43 pm to Stonehog
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Dead guy and his wife are both idiots along with the cops.
Who's property was it?
Posted on 4/15/23 at 1:45 pm to Stonehog
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Investigating trespassing by pointing a gun is definitely improper.
Sounds like something a trespasser would say.
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