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Please explain to me why Fascism is considered extreme right...
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:29 am
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:29 am
Can someone please explain to me why Fascism is always listed at the far right of the political spectrum, opposite Communism?
I would say it's far left, but not as far left as communism. I say this because they both feature dominant, oppressive governments that exert control over everything. Both are responsible for silencing critics and eliminating opposition. Both types of Governments end up owning/controlling production. Fascism has its roots in Marxism, as the father of Fascism (Giovanni Gentile, not Mussolini) was heavily influenced by Karl Marx's philosophy. Gentile then helped Mussolini shape what we know as Italian Fascism.
The stark difference I see between the textbook definitions of the two is that Communism is supposed to be an egalitarian, state-less system, while Fascism promotes strong nationalism and a class hierarchy, but other than that, I see no difference. Furthermore, I would argue in real world application, the textbook definitions aren't realistic and don't apply at all. When you compare Fascist Germany and Italy to Communist Russia and China, you really don't see stark differences in what was reality, not political philosophy.
Am I wrong here? Am I missing something? I'm not a political philosopher so I'm genuinely curious.
I would say it's far left, but not as far left as communism. I say this because they both feature dominant, oppressive governments that exert control over everything. Both are responsible for silencing critics and eliminating opposition. Both types of Governments end up owning/controlling production. Fascism has its roots in Marxism, as the father of Fascism (Giovanni Gentile, not Mussolini) was heavily influenced by Karl Marx's philosophy. Gentile then helped Mussolini shape what we know as Italian Fascism.
The stark difference I see between the textbook definitions of the two is that Communism is supposed to be an egalitarian, state-less system, while Fascism promotes strong nationalism and a class hierarchy, but other than that, I see no difference. Furthermore, I would argue in real world application, the textbook definitions aren't realistic and don't apply at all. When you compare Fascist Germany and Italy to Communist Russia and China, you really don't see stark differences in what was reality, not political philosophy.
Am I wrong here? Am I missing something? I'm not a political philosopher so I'm genuinely curious.
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Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:32 am to ibldprplgld
It's not but when a narrative is spewed facts don't mean shite.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:32 am to ibldprplgld
Technically we are operating off fascism today...
The pure melding of governmental and corporate interests.
Government and corporations are so interlocked they are inseperable...
See the thread on the largest silencing of all time.
The pure melding of governmental and corporate interests.
Government and corporations are so interlocked they are inseperable...
See the thread on the largest silencing of all time.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:33 am to ibldprplgld
quote:
Can someone please explain to me why Fascism is always listed at the far right of the political spectrum, opposite Communism?
They are not opposites, they are very much alike, just the route to get there is different.
Fascism is associated with strong nationalism and military, thus why it is often categorized to the right.
Communism or Fascism, it doesn't matter, the further you go in any direction, the closer you get to the ultimate goal and that is Authoritarianism.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:33 am to ibldprplgld
It isn't, plain and simple. It can be left or right.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:33 am to ibldprplgld
Because asshurt libshits need a scapegoat too
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:33 am to ibldprplgld
They’re both totalitarian. Historically, left wing totalitarianism has embodied communism while right wing totalitarianism has embodied fascism. However, in the present day shifting world order of globalism, traditional lines have become somewhat blurred.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:35 am to ibldprplgld
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The stark difference I see between the textbook definitions of the two is that Communism is supposed to be an egalitarian, state-less system, while Fascism promotes strong nationalism and a class hierarchy, but other than that, I see no difference.
That’s a huge difference, and those represent opposite ends of the spectrum. Basically, Communism is inherently progressive and destructive, while fascism is inherently conservative.
Your issue is probably that you think of “limited government” as being on the right, when really it’s in the middle.
And what we’ve found is that the spectrum, imagined as a scale, is not balanced, and can’t stay in the middle.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:35 am to ibldprplgld
quote:
Am I wrong here? Am I missing something?
It's more of a grid that a straight line. Traditional fascism is far right because it's authoritarianism is via extreme nationalism and extreme social conservatism.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:35 am to ibldprplgld
It’s not!!
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:37 am to ibldprplgld
The fallacy is that people tend to view the political spectrum as a line, either left or right, when it's actually more of a plane, or even cube.
This is bullshite but easier for people to swallow:
This is closer to reality, but requires nuanced understanding:
This is bullshite but easier for people to swallow:
This is closer to reality, but requires nuanced understanding:
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:38 am to IceTiger
quote:
The pure melding of governmental and corporate interests.
Government and corporations are so interlocked they are inseperable...
Isn't this the same under Communism and Fascism? I realize technically a Fascist government doesn't "own" production, but it still controls it.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:38 am to ibldprplgld
Because we had to politically differentiate between USSR (ally) and Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy (enemies).
Also most journalists and college professors are communist, and they write the vast majority of books, magazines, newspapers, and what makes it on air on radio and TV.
Also most journalists and college professors are communist, and they write the vast majority of books, magazines, newspapers, and what makes it on air on radio and TV.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:39 am to ibldprplgld
quote:
Isn't this the same under Communism and Fascism?
Yes.
Again, they are very much the same, just the route to get there is different.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:43 am to ibldprplgld
quote:
sn't this the same under Communism and Fascism? I realize technically a Fascist government doesn't "own" production, but it still controls it.
Facism isn't really a form of government in the sense that it prescribes a certain societal structure, as Capitalism or Communism do. It's more of a political "flavor". You could have a Fascist-Communist country or a Fascist-Capitalist country.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:43 am to Salmon
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Fascism is associated with strong nationalism and military, thus why it is often categorized to the right.
This is where I think I get lost. Was Nazi Germany more nationalistic than Communist Russia? I don't see a big difference there.
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Communism or Fascism, it doesn't matter, the further you go in any direction, the closer you get to the ultimate goal and that is Authoritarianism.
This makes sense. Maybe it's not a political spectrum, but a political circle with Republic/Democracy at 90 degrees, then Communism/Fascism at 270 degrees. Communism gets there by going left through 180 degrees, and Fascism gets there by going right through 0 degrees, but they both end up at the same 270: Authoritarianism?
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:44 am to ibldprplgld
Confusion is the left's friend
Let me simplify it all for you.
There is:
1. Tyranny - Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin/Stalin, Nero, Ivan the Terrible, doesn't matter, it's all the same. Slight differences in methods at times, controlled economies substituted for controlled public theft, it's all the same.
2. Freedom - In the history of the world, it's not existed very long.
That's it.
Let me simplify it all for you.
There is:
1. Tyranny - Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin/Stalin, Nero, Ivan the Terrible, doesn't matter, it's all the same. Slight differences in methods at times, controlled economies substituted for controlled public theft, it's all the same.
2. Freedom - In the history of the world, it's not existed very long.
That's it.
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:45 am to ibldprplgld
quote:
This makes sense. Maybe it's not a political spectrum, but a political circle with Republic/Democracy at 90 degrees, then Communism/Fascism at 270 degrees. Communism gets there by going left through 180 degrees, and Fascism gets there by going right through 0 degrees, but they both end up at the same 270: Authoritarianism?
yes, this is how I view it
you can make it more complicated or nuanced, but this is the most basic form of understanding
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:45 am to Wtodd
quote:Is all this is.
a narrative
Posted on 4/18/18 at 8:45 am to Salmon
quote:
Fascism is associated with strong nationalism and military
I understand the historical context of fascism being nationalistic in terms of left wing fascists Hitler, Mao, Stalin, etc. but there is ample evidence to suggest that modern fascism is taking on more of a global bent. There are more an more global organizations that are trying to trample on the self determination of nation states like WHO, World Bank, multi-nation trade pacs, etc. that all filter down to and drive homogeneous corporate and national policy.
Ironically the more diversity people fight for (particularly the left) the more homogeneous and less diverse we become.
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