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re: Philosophical Q: When 2 drunks have sex, why are rape charges filed …?

Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:52 am to
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:52 am to
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When you push their head down for a deepthroat, is that rape?

For most men, yes. For you, it's called flossing.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:52 am to
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When you push their head down for a deepthroat, is that rape?


We need to ask TCU.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:53 am to
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need to ask TCU.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20211 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:56 am to
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Against the male and not the female


(D)ifferent? But first we should also determine how each identifies themselves…

I say that in jest but we are one fricked up society that I even have it in mind to say it.
This post was edited on 1/24/23 at 10:59 am
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:56 am to
I couldn't resist

Aaaaaand, neither could TCU.






Ok, I'm done, I promise
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:58 am to
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Ok, I'm done, I promise
No need to stop the abuse of Purple Baylor.

Georgia certainly didn’t see any need.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 10:59 am to
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:00 am to
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as lacking any agency.


I've been on the Internet for quite some time.

I've NEVER seen a person other than a Liberal use THAT word in THAT context.
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20211 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:01 am to
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The consequences of sex fall significantly more on the woman than on the man.


How so? The woman might be a ho and have STD she gives the man? The woman can also shake the man down for child support too if that happens.
This post was edited on 1/24/23 at 11:02 am
Posted by Bandit1980
God's Country
Member since Nov 2019
3749 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:01 am to
What is the angle?

If all males were white and female AA how would it be percieved? That the female is totally the victim? Or if vice-versa, all males AA and female white, are the males the victims of racism?

There are too many open doors now to just sling the "Racism" thought out there.............your angle Henry is because it's a 50/50. And of course the males are going to say the wanted to, she's not around to rebut.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:02 am to
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Sounds personal....


Many of us have been on the board long enough to remember Hank bragging about... *ahem*....getting together with drunken coeds.

He bragged about it not knowing how creepy it sounded at the time.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
67866 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:04 am to
What if the one with the penis identified as female?
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:04 am to
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It’s a bad time to discuss it.


Consider the source.

You're expecting proper behavior from a troll who has the social skills of an autistic chimpanzee.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67079 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:06 am to
Pregnancy completely alters a woman’s body far more than any financial consequences do to a man.
Posted by TomBuchanan
East Egg, Long Island
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:13 am to
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Against the male and not the female?

Set aside “blackout” situations. Just 2 drunks voluntarily copulating.

Both are non compos mentis. Each is playing with the naughty bits of the other. Why should one be a perpetrator and the other a victim, in the eyes of the criminal law?



Even if you give the underage child alcohol and they drink it voluntarily, doesn't mean you get to claim it was consensual sex with them PedoHank
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:16 am to
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doesn't mean you get to claim it was consensual sex with them PedoHank



He started this thread as a cowardly way to agree with Squid_hunt in the thread that inspired this shitshow OP.

At least Squid_hunt has the courage of his "convictions"....
Posted by lsufan31
MS
Member since Mar 2013
2177 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:21 am to
And this story doesn’t even have anything to do with your hypothetical question in the OP.

This story is about an under aged girl, having sex with a legally adult male. He committed statutory rape.

The drinking scenario is a little more complex. If it can be proven that the male was as incapacitated as the female, I don’t believe rape charges should be brought.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:33 am to
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This story is about an under aged girl, having sex with a legally adult male
Where do you see that? They were two years apart in school, and (depending upon birthdays) kids can be separated by two grades but only 366 days of age. As I recall, he was 17 and she was 15 or 16. (I forget their exact birthdays.)

I had not yet attended law school then (I was 16), but my recollection is that Texas law at the time would have allowed him to be prosecuted if SHE had been 17 and HE had been 15. All that mattered was HER age. Again, Texas did not enact its Romeo/Juliet statute until 2011.

But I was not saying that the two situations are identical. Only that one made me think of the other. Just as the LSU situation made me think of the OP.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:35 am to
quote:

Against the male and not the female?

Set aside “blackout” situations. Just 2 drunks voluntarily copulating.

Both are non compos mentis. Each is playing with the naughty bits of the other. Why should one be a perpetrator and the other a victim, in the eyes of the criminal law?
quote:

Even if you give the underage child alcohol and they drink it voluntarily, doesn't mean you get to claim it was consensual sex with them Hank

Tom, no one was under-age in this scenario.

Are you fantasizing again?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67079 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 11:38 am to
With the drinking story, I think the counter-argument is that a guy would intentionally plow a woman with alcohol in order to make her consent, but then claim that he was drinking too as a defense.

I think there certainly are instances where both sides were so drunk that there really is no single “guilty party”, but as usual, tough issues in the law tend to require approaching them with nuance and evaluating them on a case-by-case basis. With the question of intoxicated consent, a bright-line rule would likely do a lot of disservice.
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