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re: Our President wants you to know that our planes have become too complicated

Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:34 pm to
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:34 pm to
He's right.

Just like cars are too complicated.

Hell, back in the old days even a moron like me could do a lot of their own work in a car because it was pretty damned simple.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:39 pm to
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Sure he would. But I don’t think he’s a big believer in rail travel.



This is just a weird post. The left's fascination with choo choo trains is mental.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:44 pm to
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What makes you think he doesn’t understand technology? There’s a high probability he understands aviation technology much better than you do.




Right. The guy actually owned his own 737 and now has his personal 757.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:46 pm to
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Right. The guy actually owned his own 737 and now has his personal 757.


Oh, Trumpkins. Don't ever change.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:56 pm to
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Greg Feith NTSB comments on Atlas Air crash Gregory Allen "Greg" Feith is an American former Senior Air Safety Investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). Today on Denver News Channel 9, while commenting on the 737 Max crashes, Greg Feith said this, verbatim: “...and a lot of carriers overseas, they are so automation dependent that they don’t know, based on their training, when to intervene, and if there is a problem they continue to try to use the automation. We’ve seen that now in three accidents. Lion Air, Ethiopian, and in fact, Atlas Air, the one that crashed in Houston. The automation was still coupled, the pilots didn’t hand fly the airplane when they lost control and even through the recovery they were fighting the automation.”
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:58 pm to
Okay, so how many more accidents would occur if we were still primarily piloted by just humans? 10X?
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
84992 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:01 pm to
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As a pilot I partly agree, one of the biggest issues we face is automation dependency and not knowing what the airplane is trying to do versus what you are intending to do. Lots of unfortunate stories out there of the airplane flying the pilots and not the other way around.
bingo.
Posted by ATrillionaire
Houston
Member since Sep 2008
2392 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:17 pm to
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Greg Feith NTSB comments on Atlas Air crash Gregory Allen "Greg" Feith is an American former Senior Air Safety Investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). Today on Denver News Channel 9, while commenting on the 737 Max crashes, Greg Feith said this, verbatim: “...and a lot of carriers overseas, they are so automation dependent that they don’t know, based on their training, when to intervene, and if there is a problem they continue to try to use the automation. We’ve seen that now in three accidents. Lion Air, Ethiopian, and in fact, Atlas Air, the one that crashed in Houston. The automation was still coupled, the pilots didn’t hand fly the airplane when they lost control and even through the recovery they were fighting the automation.”


So the pilots lacked sufficient training...gotcha
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116777 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:17 pm to
I know a lot of retired military pilots. They say that they have no qualms about flying in an airline jet (very complex). However, they do not trust flying in small private planes (very simple).

The reason is not the degree of complexity. It's trust in maintenance crew. The airlines are very careful about who is working on their planes. He doesn't trust the dude checking a small private plane.

There are a lot more small private plane crashes than you think because the story only goes regional, not national.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:29 pm to
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Sure he would. But I don’t think he’s a big believer in rail travel.


Next time you think you have a cute little zinger, keep it under your hat. It's not your cup of tea, bruv.
Posted by flyAU
Member since Dec 2010
24900 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:57 pm to
M727GA
Posted by GregMaddux
LSU Fan
Member since Jun 2011
18639 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:22 pm to
Trump is anti science. And so are all his supporters
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
67567 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:25 pm to
I’ve never claimed to have a great stand up routine.
Posted by InCaliForNow
Member since Mar 2014
543 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:29 pm to
So, basically our president is a Luddite.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100658 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:43 pm to
Technology always fails at some point and relying on it too much takes away the art of humans manually performing tasks.

Examples are flying

Driving (watch car chases on YouTube from old 70s-80s movies. The art of stunt driving in a 460 hp land yacht is gone these days. For example watch the French Connection car chase.

Also things like physics and engineering equations are done through computer. How many people today could write out those formulas by hand?
Posted by GeauxPhillies26
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2014
167 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:49 pm to
Modern airplane systems aren't that fricking complicated.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:56 pm to
wow 61 upvotes on this foolishness
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
120137 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:57 pm to
i'm not even sure what he's asking for here
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
28010 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 3:24 pm to
Is he a pilot?
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
100658 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 3:37 pm to
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And, it is more reliable by far


As someone who had both a 2017 Ram and a 72 Chevy pickup I bought for 900 bucks in high school 15 years ago as my first vehicle and all I did was change the plugs and put a new carburetor on it (did body work and interior but mechanically that was all I did) front end, engine except carb and transmission was all original.

I drove the 72 Chevy 40 miles a day 5 days a week to school and back for 2 years. Never broke down. Had 175,000 miles on it.

That 2017 Ram went through 2 fuel pumps, had to get a new front differential, and engine rebuilt due to a worn cam shaft in less than 80k miles.

So you’re wrong here.
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